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11-21-2007 , 04:41 PM

Crispy Bacon

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 456

Villain is 20/15. Standard right?

Pacific Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.5/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $99.5
CO: $98
Hero: $207.34
SB: $89.33
BB: $20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with Q

UTG raises to $4, CO folds, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, UTG raises to $24, Hero calls.

Flop: T

($49.5, 2 players)
UTG bets $31, Hero raises all-in $183.34, UTG calls.

Turn: 5

($49.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.5)

River: 4

($49.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.5)

Results:
Final pot: $196.50

11-21-2007 , 04:48 PM

jordiepop

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i would def call pf but proceed cautiously with that min raise... that being said i dont think a shove is good here... id use position and just call on the flop

11-21-2007 , 04:55 PM

AllIn3High

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i would def call pf but proceed cautiously with that min raise... that being said i dont think a shove is good here... id use position and just call on the flop

And do what? Fold turn? Not necessarily disagreeing, but we're gonna be faced with a big turn bet most of the time.

11-21-2007 , 06:39 PM

andy7

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Agreed, fold flop or get it in, villain dependent.

11-21-2007 , 06:48 PM

kaby

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that being said i dont think a shove is good here... id use position and just call on the flop

to do what? when you call pot will be 110$ with 50$ effective stack :/

just shove, if you fold this flop i don't see why you'd call pf

11-21-2007 , 07:47 PM

jc1418

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I cant imagine this being worse than AhKh or a better pair vs. a villain with those stats. I prob call pre and fold flop

11-21-2007 , 07:54 PM

Ranma4703

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You are never ahead when that push is called, I'm probably set mining with QQ here.

11-21-2007 , 08:34 PM

shpanko

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You don't have odds to set mine, either shove pf, or if you're calling it should be to shove non A/K flops. Folding pf wouldn't be terrible without history, since a TAG UTG is rarely small 4-betting a worse hand here if you haven't been 3-betting him light. As played shoving flop or shoving pf is the way to go.

11-21-2007 , 08:46 PM

Gesangsverein

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 318

I fold to his 4-bet min-raise preflop(!!!) unless I know villain is doing this with hands like AK/medium pockets/b***s****...
I might call for set value if villain is deep though.

11-21-2007 , 10:15 PM

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Ranma4703

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My bad, I thought they both had 200$. Fold preflop, even though it hurts. If this guy is 4betting light, you'll know it soon enough.

11-22-2007 , 12:31 AM

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Crispy Bacon

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I had been doing some 3 betting but not against this villain so I don't think I have reason to believe he's 4 betting light. I think I need to reassess how married I get to QQ when pre-flop action gets scary against a TAG. (yes he did have the rockets).

As a matter of interest, how would you play the hand if we had KK and the same action from TAG guy.

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