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03-23-2008 , 11:36 AM

squizzel

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Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (CO): $216.75
BTN: $197.00
SB: $186.00
BB: $207.00
UTG: $90.75
MP: $218.60

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q

UTG raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $26, 3 folds, UTG calls $18

Flop: ($55.00) K

(2 players)
UTG bets $22, Hero raises to $76, UTG calls $42.75 all in

Turn: ($184.50) 2

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($184.50) 5

(2 players - 1 is all in)

bad?

03-23-2008 , 11:49 AM

totalretard

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seems standard

03-23-2008 , 01:27 PM

klior

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I would fold this all the time against a 19/9 UTG caller, especially since he leads out. I don't think you're ahead in this spot at all.

03-23-2008 , 01:28 PM

SkeetyMcdoogle

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fold fold fold... this is always some dumb Kx hand "finding out" where it is and never folding

03-23-2008 , 01:31 PM

riske

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i wouldn't fold here. nh imo.

03-23-2008 , 02:04 PM

sightless

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i play it the same
unless i have a note that says leads strong

03-23-2008 , 02:12 PM

SkeetyMcdoogle

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why does everyone call this? We have zero FE to an UTG raise that led into us on a stacked board

Maybe if it was like a 10 dollar lead or a 5 dollar lead or something dumb, but this kid is obviously committed. I think its a big leak to call here... we are probably flipping against even the bottom part of his range (too lazy to stove)

03-23-2008 , 02:13 PM

TwistedEcho

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skeety,

because people like UTG are terrible at poker.

OP,

nh

03-23-2008 , 02:18 PM

SkeetyMcdoogle

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I don't think one weirdly sized bet and half a stack automatically make someone terrible at poker.

Regardless, terrible kids at poker call us down with K2 here and own us

03-23-2008 , 02:21 PM

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bubaloo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SkeetyMcdoogle

Regardless, terrible kids at poker call us down with Q8 here and get owned by us

fyp

03-23-2008 , 02:22 PM

#11

societymax

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no one's trying to fold out a pair of kings, skeety. it's just so incredibly likely that he's making this lead with some stupid draw/air/bottom pair bull****. folding would be pretty silly, and stacks and board texture are such that if we want to continue a shove is the best play.

03-23-2008 , 02:22 PM

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TwistedEcho

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Skeety,

He has $90 and donkbet, chances he sucks are huge.

And we aren't bluffing here, we are shoving for value... Obv hes not folding a better hand but thats not the point.

03-23-2008 , 02:23 PM

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SkeetyMcdoogle

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god mabye i suck

03-23-2008 , 02:50 PM

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dersl

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If this guy checked to you, I'm pretty sure that you would b/c (it's only a little bit more than a PSB), right? But he didn't check to you, he donked. People usually do this with weak hands, and since you are committed anyway, I shove this all day.

**** these donkeys

03-23-2008 , 03:12 PM

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squizzel

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My thinking was i had a gutshot and i beat a flush / straight draw and all kinds of ******ed donk bets with non kings .

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