Villain is a reg. He proably views me as aggro becuase everyone views me as aggro. Obviously I'm not considering folding to villain's flop 3bet, but I do want to talk about whether shoving or calling are the best options. I think the fact that I do have the Qd does change my decision. Let me hear some thoughts!

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($200)
CO ($203.50)
BTN ($215.20)
Hero (SB) ($209.10)
BB ($66.40)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is SB Q Q
2 folds, BTN raises to $6, Hero calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: 9 4 5 ($14, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero raises to $30, BTN raises to $70. Hero...

preflop is horrible imho.

how could we possibly help you here if the only read here is "he is a reg".

yea preflop is bad. why didnt you 3bet preflop?

I don't think having the Q makes too much difference here. The A would, but there aren't that many Qx combos that he's both opening pre and 3betting small on the flop.

Do you think he's going to bluff the turn w KJ on a or an 8 or something? I'm not following why you want to flat the 3bet OOP here.

I'm assuming you have some reads/plan for the hand beyond what you posted, otherwise I don't really understand the point of posting this.

1) please look at bb's stack size
2) it was a gameflow consideration
3) it's ****ing preflop, get over it and analyze as played ughhhh

I felt like I could lead, c/c, or c/r flop, all of which are cool. I decided this time to go for a c/r. I felt like this player viewed me as pretty aggro/spewy so I was confident that he would stack off wtih JJ/TT/K9 type hands on this flop against someone with my image. Also felt like he is the type of player who is capable of 3betting me as a bluff(not saying he will or won't in this spot, I just feel like he is capable of that)

After he 3bets me, I assume his range is hands like sets/45s/TT+/A9/K9 big draws or combo draws, and air. Again, a lot of these I'm just going off of assumptions because other than him being a red, I really don't have reads. I only have 32 hands on him on HEM.

Super easy 3bet preflop.

As played, I think it's closer to a fold. You're either flipping or drawing very thin.

ship it

Hand 0: 57.118% 56.03% 01.08% 24408 472.50 { 99+, 55-44, AdKd, AdJd, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, Kd4d, 9c5c, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d }
Hand 1: 42.882% 41.80% 01.08% 18207 472.50 { QcQd }

Note that if your range is 100% accurate, you only BARELY have enough equity to put the chips in the center here. We're investing $173.10 to win $415.20, so we'd need to be good 41.6% of the time here. Yes, you found a range that that has 42.9% equity, giving us enough equity to call (even if very narrowly), but even if your range is only a hair off, it would make it a bad shove.

That said, I really think that your range is veeerrrryyyy optimistic and I hardly ever see regulars b/3b'ing with TT/JJ in these spots. I think a more realistic Stove looks like this (note that even my range is pretty optimistic since I put all flush draws in his fastplaying range, even though he'll just call with a non-zero percentage of them in position. Even despite this optimism, we're still in horrible shape):

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,909,587 games 4.703 secs 831,296 games/sec

Board: 9d 4s 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.151% 65.30% 01.12% 2553081 43614.00 { QQ+, 99, 55-44, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, Kd6d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, Qd8d, Qd7d, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 7d5d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 5d4d }
Hand 1: 33.849% 32.88% 01.12% 1285433 43625.00 { QdQs }

3bet pre.
Donk flop.
Shove over 3bet.

i think pf can be fine w/ certain reads. if i had those reads i would def not c/r this particular flop.

omg, seriously, stop talking about preflop. Yes I know, as a standard play, QQ in a 3bet here. However, in poker, sometimes we varry our play, based on the player, gameflow, or balance. This time, I decided to flat preflop, which is completely acceptable to do in this spot. Turn off auto pilot for once. This is why I rarely post here any more. /rant.

For those of you who could get yourselves to actually look past the preflop play and analyze the hand from flop on, thankyou.

I actually think shibbel's range is more accurate. (although I think both of you missed some flushdraw combos he can have like 4Xdd and hands like As3s) I do think that he is going to have JJ/TT in his range here. Maybe not all the time, but I'd say 50-60% of the time he's going to get them in on the flop. I also think you guys are under estimating the times that he's going to come over the top of me with hands like A2o/78o Note that he views me as aggressive, and that my value range here is pretty small in his eyes(45s/sets).

blah blah, thankyou!!!! please, elaborate.

you know people always complain about how people don't make elaborate enough posts that outline what they're thinking, but honestly you're not going to get better at poker just having people tell you what they're thinking. i suggest looking at what i said and trying to come up w/ what i'm thinking, then ask me and i will tell you if you're right. now i'm not saying what i'm thinking is correct (obv i think it is but i have been wrong about many things on many occasions ) but its always good to try and figure things out on your own first and what better practice can there be than trying to figure out what someone is thinking based on limited information?

edit: also i don't mean to sound preachy/condescending or w/e and i don't want to try and pass this idea off as my own. i don't remember who it was but i remember someone saying that they got more out of the one line posts from players they knew were good because it made them think "why does he think that?" i thought that was great advice.

fold pre

This alone suggests that you should always be 3betting preflop.

I am the only one who does not think he would reraise the flop with a flush draw? I find people only reraise with made hands.

3bet pre
as played call flop en stick it in on non diamont turn.

well wtf dude

do you want us to say you should fold? after you slowplayed pre and underrepped your hand? i mean seriously, its like you didnt consider the fact that he could possibly 3bet the flop before you c/r'd, you should be happy to jam here wtf

3bet pre, especially if he views u as aggro

wtf is that

You obviously c/r only if you want to get it in, I see no point in calling the 3-bet.

Not 3-betting pre is obviously against the law that you have to play every hand in the standard 2p2 manner.

rofl

it's just a horrible spot to flat QQ preflop. I'm certainly not someone who choose standardlines all the time, but this isn't a spot where mixing it up is good.

From all premium pairs (TT+) QQ is the last hand i'd choose to flat in this spot.

With TT you can play cautious, because getting it preflop is often very marginal, with AA you can trap, what the hell can you do with QQ? You can get it in horrible spots.

quite a detailed analysis you did here without mentioning that he could be bluffing because hero can be perceived to be bluff raising a board like this since he has a self described "aggro" image, and if that is the case, then it is not necessary to have as much equity as you think.

Op is ignorant