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Overpair vs cold 3-bet caller Overpair vs cold 3-bet caller

05-08-2014 , 02:34 PM
Villain is 4 tabling zoom but I have only a few hands with him.

My sb 3b against a button open is about 18%

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $271.16 (135.6 bb)
    Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)
    BB: $544.95 (272.5 bb)
    UTG: $201.50 (100.8 bb)
    MP: $200 (100 bb)
    CO: $220.62 (110.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
    3 folds, BTN raises to $4.40, Hero raises to $15, BB calls $13, BTN folds

    Flop: ($34.40) T 9 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $16, BB raises to $38, Hero calls $22

    Turn: ($110.40) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $83.92, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $110.40 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: T 9 6 J
    Hero mucked K K and lost (-$53 net)
    BB mucked and won $107.60 ($54.60 net)
    05-08-2014 , 03:08 PM
    Don't fold turn, evaluate river. Although stack sizes might make you want to call anyways, kinda sucks but I expect him to continue after that flop raise with worse hands because he should bluff raising a least a little on flop.
    05-08-2014 , 04:15 PM
    does anybody like a 3bet otf? maybe $77. cheaper than ch/c turn and we can fold to his jam/raise. If villian flats, may be a little easier turn if he is on his heels a bit....
    05-08-2014 , 05:43 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by StorageWarsDarrel
    Don't fold turn, evaluate river. Although stack sizes might make you want to call anyways, kinda sucks but I expect him to continue after that flop raise with worse hands because he should bluff raising a least a little on flop.
    Pretty sure we have to jam turn if we continue. If he is bluffing enough it is probably mostly gonna be aq which I want to shove against given we may not even fold river.
    05-08-2014 , 06:18 PM
    I failed at 2nd grade math and didnt really see the stacksizes, shoving turn pretty much everytime.

    He might have qq if he's not shipping that pre, there's a few pair+draw's you're ahead of that picked up some equity on the turn after bluff raising flop, and then there's a few 2pair and a very unlikely kq you lose to as well as sets I guess, cant be too bad to just gii though

    QQ,AA,AQ,KQ, is a flip so meh

    Last edited by StorageWarsDarrel; 05-08-2014 at 06:25 PM.
    05-10-2014 , 12:22 AM
    What is your plan when calling the flop? Do you plan on check/folding most turns? Do you hope it gets to SD?
    05-10-2014 , 04:55 AM
    bigger on the flop, 22ish, rest is fine.
    05-11-2014 , 11:48 AM
    I think we need to discount certain hands a lot, when building villains range. For example, he might flat a lot oft he time with AA (to keep in heros wide bluffing range) while stacking preflop with JJ, QQ almost everytime (as those hands are much more vulnerable).

    A range like this might be more reasonable i think:
    AA (4), KK(1), QQ(2), JJ(1), TT(2), 99(3), T9s(1), KdQd, AdQd, AcQc, AhQh


    If villain had outright shoved the turn, hero would need 36% to call.

    Against the above range (which is even more on the stronger side) hero has 34% on the turn. Add 1 combo of bluffs and or spazzes, and i think we cannot get away from this.

    Shoving turn > calling (imho), because we have no clue about his river frequencies and are very likely to make a costly mistake.
    05-12-2014 , 11:06 AM
    he have trips i think, good fold
    05-13-2014 , 06:54 AM
    Hahaha i would actually b/f flop
    05-13-2014 , 07:01 AM
    i'm jamming the flop. He has a lot of one pair combo draws in his range. Esp if you are 3betting the button 18%
    05-13-2014 , 03:24 PM
    I think you need to 4-bet flop, if he call/raises you are beat. But you can't give him control of pot.

          
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