***** THE ONE AND ONLY SSNL NOVEMBER CHEESE THREAD****
11-13-2009
, 12:48 PM
11-13-2009
, 12:57 PM
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$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($271.45)
UTG+1 ($206.15)
Hero ($216)
BTN ($216)
SB ($220.10)
BB ($210.20)
Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO K
J
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds
Flop: J
3
K
($15, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12
Turn: 9 ($39, 2 players)
Hero bets $33, BTN raises to $66,
what do we do here against a fish?
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($271.45)
UTG+1 ($206.15)
Hero ($216)
BTN ($216)
SB ($220.10)
BB ($210.20)
Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO K
J2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds
Flop: J
3 K ($15, 2 players)Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12
Turn: 9
($39, 2 players)Hero bets $33, BTN raises to $66,
what do we do here against a fish?
11-13-2009
, 01:20 PM
I lold
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Hero (BB): $100.00
no1norway (CO): $77.25
GingerGoddess (BTN): $118.65
drawac (SB): $9.80
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with J T
no1norway raises to $2, 1 fold, drawac calls $1.50, Hero calls $1
Flop: ($6.00) K 6 T (3 players)
drawac checks, Hero checks, no1norway bets $4, drawac raises to $7.80 all in, Hero folds, no1norway calls $3.80
Turn: ($21.60) K (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($21.60) A (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $21.60
no1norway shows Q J (a straight, Ace high)
drawac shows J Q (a Royal Flush)
drawac wins $20.55
(Rake: $1.05)
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Hero (BB): $100.00
no1norway (CO): $77.25
GingerGoddess (BTN): $118.65
drawac (SB): $9.80
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with J
Tno1norway raises to $2, 1 fold, drawac calls $1.50, Hero calls $1
Flop: ($6.00) K
6 T (3 players)drawac checks, Hero checks, no1norway bets $4, drawac raises to $7.80 all in, Hero folds, no1norway calls $3.80
Turn: ($21.60) K
(2 players - 1 is all in)River: ($21.60) A
(2 players - 1 is all in)Final Pot: $21.60
no1norway shows Q
J (a straight, Ace high)drawac shows J
Q (a Royal Flush)drawac wins $20.55
(Rake: $1.05)
11-13-2009
, 02:27 PM
11-13-2009
, 03:16 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
UTG: $214.75
MP: $220.00
CO: $201.60
BTN: $204.65
SB: $270.00
Hero (BB): $325.90
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 8 9
4 folds, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $6
Flop: ($16.00) K 9 5 (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10
Turn: ($36.00) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($36.00) T (2 players)
SB bets $32, Hero folds
what do people take this line? very good players take this line often against me I have noticed. every time I think about calling because it looks like I have what I have and he knows it and probably thinks that I think he is never bluffing.
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
UTG: $214.75
MP: $220.00
CO: $201.60
BTN: $204.65
SB: $270.00
Hero (BB): $325.90
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 8
94 folds, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $6
Flop: ($16.00) K
9 5 (2 players)SB bets $10, Hero calls $10
Turn: ($36.00) 7
(2 players)SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($36.00) T
(2 players)SB bets $32, Hero folds
what do people take this line? very good players take this line often against me I have noticed. every time I think about calling because it looks like I have what I have and he knows it and probably thinks that I think he is never bluffing.
11-13-2009
, 03:29 PM
11-13-2009
, 03:59 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($215)
BB ($313)
CO ($209)
Hero ($195)
Dealt to Hero J A
fold, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $10, fold, Hero calls $4
FLOP ($22) A 7 3
SB bets $10.45, Hero calls $10.45
TURN ($42.90) A 7 3 Q
SB bets $30, Hero calls $30
RIVER ($102) A 7 3 Q K
SB bets $164 (AI), Hero calls $144 (AI)
Very std Vs this guy right? He 66/24/2 with a 13% 3 bet. He's SB in the hand below. Not much point in raising turn given villain and board texture.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($200)
BB ($426)
UTG ($169)
Hero ($234)
CO ($187)
BTN ($211)
Dealt to Hero 3 J
UTG raises to $6, fold, CO calls $6, fold, SB calls $5, fold
FLOP ($20) 6 J 5
SB checks, UTG bets $10, CO folds, SB calls $10
TURN ($40) 6 J 5 3
SB checks, UTG bets $21.61, SB calls $21.61
RIVER ($83.22) 6 J 5 3 8
SB bets $162 (AI), UTG calls $131 (AI)
SB shows 6 T
(Pre 60%, Flop 52.3%, Turn 68.2%)
UTG shows 3 9
(Pre 40%, Flop 47.7%, Turn 31.8%)
UTG wins $342
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($215)
BB ($313)
CO ($209)
Hero ($195)
Dealt to Hero J
A fold, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $10, fold, Hero calls $4
FLOP ($22) A
7 3 SB bets $10.45, Hero calls $10.45
TURN ($42.90) A
7 3 Q SB bets $30, Hero calls $30
RIVER ($102) A
7 3 Q K SB bets $164 (AI), Hero calls $144 (AI)
Very std Vs this guy right? He 66/24/2 with a 13% 3 bet. He's SB in the hand below. Not much point in raising turn given villain and board texture.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
SB ($200)
BB ($426)
UTG ($169)
Hero ($234)
CO ($187)
BTN ($211)
Dealt to Hero 3
J UTG raises to $6, fold, CO calls $6, fold, SB calls $5, fold
FLOP ($20) 6
J 5 SB checks, UTG bets $10, CO folds, SB calls $10
TURN ($40) 6
J 5 3 SB checks, UTG bets $21.61, SB calls $21.61
RIVER ($83.22) 6
J 5 3 8 SB bets $162 (AI), UTG calls $131 (AI)
SB shows 6
T (Pre 60%, Flop 52.3%, Turn 68.2%)
UTG shows 3
9 (Pre 40%, Flop 47.7%, Turn 31.8%)
UTG wins $342
11-13-2009
, 04:12 PM
Quote:
Yeah, "snap call" button is def not the case!
So you are swapping SD winnings for NSD winnings in a lot of places (eg forcing folds where you may have the best hand?). And you don't get to see villains holdings (or what I will refer to as the Bilbo Theorem!)
Do you think you have a higher wr this way? Other than the hands where it is a wash (NSD swapped for SD, as above), you are also bluffing and winning in many spots, but also stacking off when you are against the nuts (or close enough that they call you anyway). I would guess this happens less often, so you do get a higher winrate. Most mortals report getting called too often when they cr river, do you have a trick to this?
So you are swapping SD winnings for NSD winnings in a lot of places (eg forcing folds where you may have the best hand?). And you don't get to see villains holdings (or what I will refer to as the Bilbo Theorem!)
Do you think you have a higher wr this way? Other than the hands where it is a wash (NSD swapped for SD, as above), you are also bluffing and winning in many spots, but also stacking off when you are against the nuts (or close enough that they call you anyway). I would guess this happens less often, so you do get a higher winrate. Most mortals report getting called too often when they cr river, do you have a trick to this?
Player B raises a lot and folds a lot (random internet tag).
Player A will have (theoretically) lower variance because his showdown winnings are simply a matter of the distribution of cards, which in the long run vs. all players will be break-even, but his winnings come from non-showdown pots and since they always give up their equity when they fold the variance in your red line should be lower.
Random theory off the top of my head.
11-13-2009
, 05:10 PM
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, 05:15 PM
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, 05:21 PM
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, 05:36 PM
11-13-2009
, 05:44 PM
standard? villain is an unknown. Turn i think is a call as he could be betting with worse. I intended to fold the river to a standard sized bet, but once he bets so tiny i figured calling was standard?
Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Hero (MP): $51.20
CO: $77.95
BTN: $41.25
SB: $133.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $31.00
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 9 9
UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 4 folds
Flop: ($3.75) T 4 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50
Turn: ($8.75) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50
River: ($17.75) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $4.00, Hero calls $4
Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Hero (MP): $51.20
CO: $77.95
BTN: $41.25
SB: $133.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $31.00
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 9
9UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 4 folds
Flop: ($3.75) T
4 6 (2 players)UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50
Turn: ($8.75) 4
(2 players)UTG bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50
River: ($17.75) 6
(2 players)UTG bets $4.00, Hero calls $4
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