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06-24-2008 , 10:27 PM

kolotoure

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Villain is 20/5/2.5,. Haven't seen him play any big pots so no reads

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

SB: $34.40
BB: $25.00
UTG: $127.65
MP: $21.00
CO: $59.15
Hero (BTN): $148.55

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 4

UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, UTG calls $4, 1 fold

Flop: ($12.50) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, UTG calls $8

Turn: ($28.50) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $20, UTG raises to $60

06-24-2008 , 10:31 PM

spivey

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meh i guess i get it in and don't feel good about it. he can have 76, 66, AhJx.

06-24-2008 , 10:37 PM

Dark_Mace

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think your gona see a lot of flushes here. He is playing only 20% of his hands, so i think a set is deff in his range here, but i would think 33/77 raises the flop, so i think 66 is the only feasible thing you beat.

I think a call / shove is very marginal against this type of player, and i think if you factor in that he can have 45/3 sets and maybe 2 pair, this could be a very close, albiet marginal call. I think you can safely fold though and find a better spot

06-24-2008 , 10:37 PM

rsxpunk

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how many hands? I think i fold it you think he is nitty but i guess peel and reevaluate isnt that bad

06-24-2008 , 10:56 PM

SootedPower

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Getting it in here is really bad. Like, REALLY bad.

If you are going to continue, call and call/shove a non-heart river.

06-24-2008 , 10:58 PM

kolotoure

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rsxpunk

how many hands? I think i fold it you think he is nitty but i guess peel and reevaluate isnt that bad

~100

06-24-2008 , 11:07 PM

corsakh

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Landmark characteristic of 20/10 - 20/0 is their love of all forms and shapes of SC, gappers, 5gappers and what not, as long as they are sooted. I think I folds.

06-24-2008 , 11:10 PM

Check_The_Nuts

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yeah I fold too.

06-25-2008 , 12:54 AM

members_only

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Calling seems worse than shoving, you're only going to lose value from the hands you beat

06-25-2008 , 01:13 AM

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fasterlearner

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This spot kinda sucks for sure.
It sucks more that your both alittle deep.

There has to be some chance he's doing something crazy,
maybe if only a 2% chance. I think sets are possible
here to. Some players like this could also have AA,KK
with a heart cause they like to superslowplay.

I say shove the money in & tip your hat if he has the flush.
At that limit, people just do crazy stuff sometimes & I
don't like folding a hand like that.

06-25-2008 , 01:19 AM

#11

TexAg06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fasterlearner

I say shove the money in & tip your hat if he has the flush.

I'm not too big of a fan of this type of thinking. This is a typical line for a flush, whether or not he has it we don't know, but I think this time we have more evidence (stats combined with line he took) that he more than likely has the flush. Considering that sometimes we will continue on in these situations and sometimes we will fold, I think this one belongs in the fold category. Wait for a clearer situation to get our money in.

I'd think this situation has to be -EV. I could definitely be wrong though.

06-25-2008 , 02:35 AM

#12

Hardball47

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I think it's better to err on the side of caution on this one.

Fold.

06-25-2008 , 02:39 AM

#13

riske

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He has a flush. These guys c/c with sets or two pair here.

06-25-2008 , 03:05 AM

#14

fasterlearner

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TexAg06

Ya this is the line for a flush for a logical player. But some players on
this limit are illogical. There has to be a "this guy could be a banana factor"
Plus his stats are 20/5 ... that tells me right there he's not a great player.
I think sets are a real possibility here. It wouldn't shock me to see AJ, AA,KK
either.

With no history with this player, I don't think its super terrible to stick the
$$ in.

06-25-2008 , 03:16 AM

#15

FishSticks

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if only he had checkraised the flop and led the turn instead of check/calling the flop and checkraising the turn

meh i think a fold is prob best but i think often in the moment we get frustrated and call and then get mad and tank and finally fold the river when he shoves

06-25-2008 , 11:13 AM

#16

guitarizt

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I put a bunch of hands in stove, and assuming he sometimes has two pair, a pair + fd, or a set here, getting it in on the turn doesn't seem that bad to me. I can't get it below 36% equity. That being said I still fold, especially because you have 127bb.

06-25-2008 , 11:19 AM

#17

Verstehen

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Against a fairly passive donk, I'd probably fold this. With any kind of redraw (say 33 instead of 54) you shouldn't be letting it go, but the chance of drawing dead and facing a large river bet makes this an ugly spot.

I'm OK with call-and-re-evaluate when you get raised on 3-flush flops because it's much less likely he has the hand. But when the turn card completes the flush and a weak-tight donk puts in a big raise, I think it's a fold.

06-25-2008 , 11:24 AM

#18

TPTK77

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with 127bb, and getting it in on the turn, it's pretty bad IMO. you don't even have outs if he has a flush which sucks. And they show up here a lot i feel too. I would call and re-eval here.

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