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07-14-2009 , 07:59 AM
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.586% 32.75% 01.84% 227656277 12787255.00 { 22+, A2s+, K3s+, Q6s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A4o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 1: 65.414% 63.57% 01.84% 441964637 12787255.00 { AcKc }

That's 35% of his range

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.061% 46.63% 00.43% 371309778 3403536.00 { 22+, A2s+, K3s+, Q6s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A4o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 1: 52.939% 52.51% 00.43% 418104510 3403536.00 { 6d6h }
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07-14-2009 , 08:20 AM
Yes, I know mate. I did all that myself.

My point was would you call with 66 as it is +ev?
07-14-2009 , 08:29 AM
no, because its only slightly +EV and only if our read is accurate.
I would call w 99 though...

What's your calling range?
07-14-2009 , 08:32 AM
theres no way you can rationalize folding AKs in that spot. seriously
07-14-2009 , 08:41 AM
66 is a snap fold for me, 99, 1010, AQ is where it gets interesting.
07-14-2009 , 08:43 AM
wtf snap call that AKs pls, if you don't like this idea maybe consider moving down in stakes

fistpump optional but don't ****ing fold
07-14-2009 , 09:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fussie
no, because its only slightly +EV and only if our read is accurate.
I would call w 99 though...

What's your calling range?

I reckon 10-10 to AK for me. So difficult to judge his range on that small a sample.

Knowing me, I'd get the "smart fish" who set a tarp!
07-14-2009 , 09:31 AM
There's a potential huge oppurtunity cost with calling though, if he wins a) we're no longer 200bb deep with him and b) there's a good chance he hits and runs. Saying that AK is just too good against his range and I'd call, it's unlikely we find a better spot before someone else does.
07-14-2009 , 10:39 AM
After I played one of my worst sessions ever @ NL200, I've decided to chase losses @ NL400.

Two observations so far:
1. when ppl 3bet my opens, they don't always have trash and I shouldnt 4betshove AQo / TT
2. there are a TON of shorstackers (normal?)
07-14-2009 , 10:44 AM
Total damage Fussie?
07-14-2009 , 11:05 AM
doing ok for now, will post graph + stats when i'm @ 1k hands
07-14-2009 , 11:27 AM
Alright, +280 @ NL400 and -700 @ NL200 ... time for dinner now
07-14-2009 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flintoff
I reckon 10-10 to AK for me. So difficult to judge his range on that small a sample.

Knowing me, I'd get the "smart fish" who set a tarp!
not a bad SN lol.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fussie
After I played one of my worst sessions ever @ NL200, I've decided to chase losses @ NL400.

Two observations so far:
1. when ppl 3bet my opens, they don't always have trash and I shouldnt 4betshove AQo / TT
2. there are a TON of shorstackers (normal?)
1. yes
2. yes. all bad russians
07-14-2009 , 01:26 PM
most were from kazakhstan or some other ******ed country iirc
07-14-2009 , 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltymcfish0
wtf snap call that AKs pls, if you don't like this idea maybe consider moving down in stakes

fistpump optional but don't ****ing fold
You guys are really missing the point it is amazing how robotic you can think. AK is a drawing hand. I am spewy and a lite caller as it is. I have no problem getting it in very lite.

Point here is that getting it in is very small ev advantage, is good against a reg but not against a fish, and if he hits and gets lucky which he will do a very large percent, then he is going to take his 400BB and run, he was clearly trying to do a quick gamble and double from tilt.

Then I no longer have a 200BB stack to leverage against his 200BB stack, just plain stupid. You do realize that I have position on him, so I am the most likely to get all his money in the next few hands. So to value town and call his bets with as low as 3rd pair with zero variance. Must be smart to take the preflop option when I can take his money over the next few hands just as easily. I am in no way unhappy with that fold, i am actually impressed with it because my whole body was itching to press that call button and i for once held off
07-14-2009 , 02:09 PM
Thats just absurd
07-14-2009 , 02:14 PM
anyone else gets annoyed by those brown pop ups?
is there a way to turn them off?

ptr gave me just B+ doesn't like my agression @turn&river which also screws the sd stat naturally. I think u gotta play really abc to reach A
07-14-2009 , 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurski
anyone else gets annoyed by those brown pop ups?
is there a way to turn them off?
tilts me like hell!!!!!!!!
07-14-2009 , 02:48 PM
Pick a range from the end of this post or let us just say that you have on average 60% vs his range.

EV = (800$ * 0,60) - 400$ = 80$

So you basicly say that waiting for a better spot is better than taking 80$ EV now. Remember that it is only 40% of the time all the factors you are talking about apply. 60% of the time you will have his stack and thus don't have to worry about them. Furthermore it is not a certain thing that he will quit once he loses his money, he might reload.

If we disregard positional advantage, stack sizes and skill level each other player at the table should have an equal share of the donk's stack which is 400$ / 5 = 80$. Because of you positional advantage and stack size advantage you have a bigger share and let's assume that is 120$. But when you pass up big +EV spots like this you are really decreasing that share by a ton.

So the conclusion is that you should call, 60% of the time take his 400$ and hope that he reloads, 40% of the time lose your 400$ but hope he stays and thus take advantage of all the facts you mentioned anyway.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.735% 33.93% 01.80% 880856900 46765330.00 { 22+, A2s+, K4s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }
Hand 1: 64.265% 62.46% 01.80% 1621465304 46765330.00 { AKs }

equity win equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.001% 39.16% 03.84% 354083400 34687944.00 { 22+, ATs+, KJs+, ATo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 56.999% 53.16% 03.84% 480637224 34687944.00 { AKs }

tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.253% 36.28% 02.97% 477101228 39100832.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 60.747% 57.77% 02.97% 759746580 39100832.00 { AKs }
07-14-2009 , 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YouSureSir
You guys are really missing the point it is amazing how robotic you can think. AK is a drawing hand. I am spewy and a lite caller as it is. I have no problem getting it in very lite.

Point here is that getting it in is very small ev advantage, is good against a reg but not against a fish, and if he hits and gets lucky which he will do a very large percent, then he is going to take his 400BB and run, he was clearly trying to do a quick gamble and double from tilt.

Then I no longer have a 200BB stack to leverage against his 200BB stack, just plain stupid. You do realize that I have position on him, so I am the most likely to get all his money in the next few hands. So to value town and call his bets with as low as 3rd pair with zero variance. Must be smart to take the preflop option when I can take his money over the next few hands just as easily. I am in no way unhappy with that fold, i am actually impressed with it because my whole body was itching to press that call button and i for once held off
Lol, you make a lot of strange assumptions there to justify the fold to yourself.

Small ev advantage??
He is leaving if he hits 400 bb's?
He is sticking around as long as he has 200 bb's?
07-14-2009 , 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brendons31
Lol, you make a lot of strange assumptions there to justify the fold to yourself.

Small ev advantage??
He is leaving if he hits 400 bb's?
He is sticking around as long as he has 200 bb's?
To add.
There is zero variance when u playing maniac optimally postflop?
c'mon passing 60/40s is just sick as it is a race @table who will get value
07-14-2009 , 06:20 PM
I'm down 2300$ today and 1800 under EV in 8k hands, f this sh t
robusto here I come (maybe give me some of that genius money party????)
07-14-2009 , 07:57 PM
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07-15-2009 , 01:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YouSureSir
AK is a drawing hand
not necessarily

Quote:
Originally Posted by YouSureSir
Point here is that getting it in is very small ev advantage, is good against a reg but not against a fish
wat

Quote:
Originally Posted by YouSureSir
You do realize that I have position on him, so I am the most likely to get all his money in the next few hands.
logical fallacy

Quote:
Originally Posted by YouSureSir
So to value town and call his bets with as low as 3rd pair with zero variance.
yea it's always very close to zero variance vs. tilty maniacs right?

I am beginning to think this is one big fat level and a pretty good one at that.
07-15-2009 , 02:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltymcfish0
not necessarily



wat



logical fallacy



yea it's always very close to zero variance vs. tilty maniacs right?

I am beginning to think this is one big fat level and a pretty good one at that.
Haha forget it then guys. I'm happy with the play and it worked out best. To be honest I had no idea on his range. He could only be shoving PP's he could be shoving everything. I saw him for 15 hands. He shoved a couple preflop, but he also folded about 9 or 10 times preflop, shoved 4 or 5 times, and called out of the BB or SB can't remember. He range may not be as wide as you are giving him credit for, or it may be wider.

I could care less, all i know, is post flop, from the hand I did play against him, he couldn't fold and would bluff steal anytime it was checked. Seemed like a good reason when I had a read to maximize it instead of gamble against his range which i had no real clue about. Now lets drop it.
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