yea imo rakeback makes up a non-trivial amount of a grinder's hourly, even if they crush the games. i wonder what rakeback breaks down to in BB/100. anyone have their data and want to share the number?

i like it. I'm now a "recreational" player, and like to see measures that are good for the fish and reduce the profitability to 16 tabling.

Optimize betsize against QQ-AA imo, shipping can't be bad though

AK hand...either check back or fake block bet a lol-looking amount+call shove

Say RB is 30%, you pay like 8bb/100 in rake at 100NL/200NL (it's around that). RB is 2.4bb/100. As stakes get higher, RB gets lower (600NL is like 4bb/100 or so IIRC), so it would be 1.2bb/100.

Fishier games should make up for it, but it'd be painful at the micros where people pay 11-13bb in rake, and RB becomes 3.3bb/100b or so.

to be honest I don't really use my net winnings and save a lot, but I use every month my rakeback as spending money for fun things. I like rakeback

I bet called 28 otr in-game clowntable, but i agree with everyone checking is best in retrospect. Although i did get a good note on him for being a fish and not shoving himself ha

Thanks for responses fellas.

Trying to win rakerace for 16-30, hopefully dont bust my account on the way.

what did he have kg?

I mean if he never checkraises turns we should just fold turn so the bet+call river is obviously assuming that we shouldn't put too much stock in this being his first turn CR or whatever.

If we have a solid sample/read that he doesn't CR turn much I think it should be a routine turn fold (pretty tough to fold though)

he had 666.

and yes i agree if we arent comfortable gaybet/calling or shipping ourselves on river then turn should be fold. It was my first time playing HU/3handed with him so I wasn't sure of his tendency's(prolly different than 6max), felt like i had to peel so we weren't super exploitable.

this site is a huge level. its another one of those sites that either a) regurgitates information already published other places in order to get hits or b) posts ridiculous speculation in order to get hits.

I've been playing around with checking hands like this on the turn just because people expect you to bet it so often and you can often get more value on the river than you can on the turn & riv (ie on the turn you might get a float from 77-TT or like 67, but likely not river as well) and you avoid the c/raises and keep pots small against sets. Any KQ/QJ etc he floated are donking out the river and we can minraise fold to get our full value out of another Kx.

Its extremely profitable so far - amazing what kind of **** people float with then donk on the river when they miss... (and plus side is I'm rarely in these difficult spots).

that sounds pretty terrible tbh. you're basically just telling everyone you have 88-QQ so villain would have to be pretty a big tard to bluff into that OTR since you're always calling (even if he can have bluffs, and doesn't have many, i mean he c/c 623r). plus even though I do think balance is overrated at ssnl, this is definitely one spot i want to be betting my entire value range

also i think you're underestimating the action you can get from this card. you said you might get a float from 77-TT, which is more like you will get a call from those on the turn, 100% of the time. and people will also call rivers lighter because you get to the river with more air and if you're going to try to get villain to fold 77, people know it's gonna take turn and river bets

i don't really see why you'd cbet AK there either btw

shipit2kg,
I'v've been debating whether or not I should post this because I realize I'll come off as a dick. But you already think I'm a douche anyway so I don't have much to lose. :-)

I can't imagine how difficult it would be to play well when you're 100bis below ev. It would absolutely destroy me, and I would probably quit poker. But at the same time it looks like had you ran at EV you would have only made about a $1000 in your last ~200k hands.




So while a run like that is certainly possible for a 4-5bb winner, I think it's probably more likely that you're just not playing that great during this stretch. So if your true winrate isn't that high or even positive you're gonna have some terrible swings. (I know math nerds can prove variance isn't related to winrate or whatever but lol math.)


It definitely could be because you're running so far below EV that you're just having a difficult time thinking clearly, which is obviously understandable.

I do know you crushed all levels of Rush so I'm sure you're pretty good at this game. For me though after Black Friday it was a pretty big adjusment period getting used to new sites with different player pools. I had a few weak months but I really did just work my ass off and I've improved a ton since Black Friday. I know I'm not great but I do beat 200nl (even though I still play 100nl a lot).

I know I'm not an authority and you could be better than I am, but I do think I'm prob playing better than you are right now because I've worked hard on the necessary adjustments at new sites. You might've done the same, I don't know.

I do think some of these hands you posted are clear mistakes.

AK on that turn looks like a pretty easy fold. Calling so you won't be exploitable isn't a compelling reason to me because it only matters if you are being exploited, and you said this guy has an almost non-existent c/r percent on the turn. Turn c/rs here as bluffs are still really uncommon where I play. It's pretty hard for even villain to have hands he would c/r bluff the turn with depending on his fcbet, and it would still require him to be turning stuff into a bluff I think, and anything he could turn into a bluff is probably good enough to c/c. On the river I think there's no value in betting. Sure, we're good a lot, but basically no hands in his range c/r turn and c/c river. I don't think he bluff shoves over a gay bet often because it's so likely we have Kx.

The 44 hand on the river I think is a clear mistake also. Even if you do get to the river with bluffs I don't think you have to shove 44. I can't imagine you beating a reg's calling range on that river. Ofc I would still shove against fish but I'd have to think the reg is really, really awful to shove 44. It would just be the easiest fold with AA on that river.

Are you getting coaching right now from someone? Could be good to get some euro dudes on the same network as you.

tannenj is coaching also and he is a beast. He did send me his new product for me to review so I'm not sure if I'm biased (I don't think I am), but I really do believe his product is ridiculously awesome. It's taking me forever to get through because it's so god damn dense but I've learned so much.

So yeah. Hope this doesn't further my douche status. I'm hoping this helps. You're def mentally stronger than I am if you're even alive after that stretch lol, but I think it's likely your edge isn't as big as it should be right now.

I'm flattered you'd take the time to write all that...I'm not offended, it isn't hard to tell my results have been lackluster of late, I'm always working to improve and open to all ideas. I've been coached by shootaa for last 6 months(1-2 hours a week), all of which is during those hands. The EV is just a fraction of the story of course, but that graph is the only empirical body of data we can work with so I won't even go there. I'm confident my A game results in a 5-6bb winrate, I think a couple respectable guys would vouch for that. I have huge samples of winning at that rate and higher.

I def think my main problem is that this has really got my brain in a sick funk, I am so used to running into the top of ranges and stuff that it's subconsciously ****ing up my thought process. One main problem, I can't find the fold button.

Working with Reid has been instrumental in my development, I hate that my results don't reflect that. But that's because of personal issues,mental game(TILT), not playing A game, etc.

I'd def like some info on Tannej caoching program as I've always respected his msnl strat posts, if you wouldn't mind PM'ing whatever info you have that would be great. If you wanna shoot me your skype too that'd be cool.

Thanks for the advice.

just on a sidenote: AIEV is "just" AIEV. Like I agree that I run good this year, but I'm now 16 months below EV.

Wasn't there some program that calculated your EV by street for every hand and made a graph of that (eg. those pots that you BET BET SHOVE where he rivers hit overset)

I didn't say it was for everyone - for me it has been a zoom specific strategy as well as I'm cbetting less and barreling less in general (b/c everyone is a ***** 16-13) and it is working great. But it isn't terrible - how often are you getting 3 streets from 77-TT unless you have a crazy dynamic?

Also if we're talking about lowering variance, it can't be that bad. There are many ways to reduce variance which aren't -EV - and that is what KG needs now.
Anyways, just something to try out - it works well.

edit: again this was assuming 6 handed - 3 handed I agree barrel away
double edit: Maybe I'm just too in the zoom mindset. Re-read KG's post and he said 20/18 or something was nitty..that's like the aggrodonk at my tables.

tbh I give +1 to JRuViC. I've been doing it a fair amount aswell vs people that I know I can't get 3 streets of value and to protect my sd value and keep their bluffs in. I've seen them bet all sorts of air for sometimes pot value as bluff.

Vs stations it's obv bet bet bet

I should be able to just post the link since I'm not affiliated with him. His coaching thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...usher-1091557/

info about his product: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=45

shipit, i went through almost exactly what u did last yr and took a long break from poker to clear my mind and regather my thoughts. u might prob not want to take an extended break right now where u are but u shld def at least consider taking a week or 2 off. it works wonders to help u forget about ur bad run and come back to the tables fresher.

Shipit is a good player, it's very unfortunate he's run so bad, I think it's fairly obvious he hasn't played his A game during that sample. Noone would be able to period. I also think he's actually too hard of a worker, he wants to win so badly and plays so much that it's easier for him to start getting frustrated. I know when I run really bad sometimes I need breaks and my mental game is extremely good. I really hope it turns around variance wise for him because he works harder than almost anyone. That's the thing though poker isn't fair, in a fair world Shipit would deserve to win because he's good and works hard. In poker though nothing is guaranteed, feeling entitlement or that you deserve to win which is natural is another bad thing. Emotionally poker can be such a cruel game.

Keyser you do makea valid point though, if shipit played less hands and his A game more often he would likely be up more money despite less volume. I think the biggest key is cutting out -ev hours, or even slightly +ev hours because it's a bad habit to get into to play questionable hours. Slightly +ev hours can easily dip into -ev hours.

Anyone recommend a good chair for posture/comfort?

Willing to spend about up to $500 or so? My back is killing me and I'm a ****ing hunchback in this chair.
Maybe closer to $1k if htis FT money comes through but that sounds ridiculous for a chair...

I've never done this before but... BROMODE ACTIVATE "You don't need a new chair, you need to do a whole bunch of shrugs, rows, and deadlifts till your back doesn't give a **** about posture"

try doing something like sitting on a cheap barstool or one of those exercise balls. If your posture isnt right you will fall down lol

I'm using the ikea markus. pretty good value for the price.