I don't get how people seem to have such small downswings... 20+ bi downers are not rare for me and I've beaten 1/2 for more than 3ptbb over a big sample. not a brag just blows my mind how people seem to have such little variance because it drives me crazy...

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somewhere in eastern europe children are playing fantasy poker

i'm pretty sure that 20 is closer to an actual number of an average downswing for even a winning player.

don't forget too that (not saying u bluff a lot) ... but...since u bluff a LOT , looking at your graphs in micro increments is gonna be way swingier than other people..and it's not just that you bluff but you value bet really thin, bluff catch, flip when you have a small percent of fold equity, etc...you know the deal. i heard on a nanonoko interview they asked him how his graph is so steady and he said he goes on massive swings day in and day out but after months, it evens out to an up slope.

yeah makes sense. i dont like to pass up on anything so that probably is why i get the variance. just makes my life a nightmare- first week of this month i had a 35bi downer, recovered, and now im on a 25bi downer + random tourney losses and i cant play because im auto tilted when i sit down. poker is a cruel mistress

LOL, if there are ppl who've never experienced a 20+ bi downswing, then more power to them. However until proven otherwise I must believe that they run like God, Jesus, Allah, Buddah, Jehova, Krshna, Zeus and ****ing Odin combined.

The name is Barney Stinson.

Since when do asians follow NBA basketball?

ever heard of yao ming?

when Jeremy Lin gets the ball in his hands or comes on to the court its as if Jordan came back and just made the game winning shot for the championship. Granted the crowd is like 70% Asian at warriors games.

Bum hunt ftw haha 20bi ds is only possible if you tilt IMO I don't think I have too many 20bi ds that didn't result in tilt ds but I'm pretty sure I do run like jesus

when your W$SD is <40 its very easy to drop myriad BI's

Good for you.

FWIW on the rare occasions that I run like Jesus, I don't tilt either. I'm not saying that I'm irresponsible for my own tilt, just that it's obv WAY easier not to tilt while running good, so your post pretty much proves my point.

EDIT: Oh, and I might add that I'm 100% certain that having a 20bi sw0ng is entirely possible for even the most tiltless person on the planet. The variance in thsi game is way too sick for that not to be possible. My biggest down was around 50bi and needless to say I tilted like a monkey. I'm pretty sure though that the way I ran, avoiding 25-35 bi down would have been impossible even while being on my theoretical A-game 100% of the time..

swongs are 1 thing

lol @ 20 bi downers only being possible because of tilt. play 100k hands of hu and see what you think. also i know samo is on a MASSIVE downer right now (probably >70bi) and hes one of the best players in the world so take that fwiw...

whos samo

I guess samoleus /punketty.

Well if you are playing again fish only than I think it's gonna be hard to have a 20 bi downswing but if u play against ppl at same level than it's possible ESP with tilt when you lose a few flips

A + B doesn't always equal C

Dunno how this is true. Fish can be super high variance.

I hate U Pokerstars.

Seriously guys. Are we playing the same game?

I guess a lifetime subscription to the rungood makes you pretty delusional of what is possible in this game called unlimited texas hold them.

Don't get me wrong. In no way am I implying that either of the two guys who said that a 20bi down is only possible with tilt are bad players. I haven't played vs either one of you in a long while but as far as I recall you didn't exactly make the impression on me that you sucked (especially JsTs whom I hated to have at the table). However saying that 20bi swings are anything but SUPER normal variance can only be due to you guys never having experienced some SERIOUS ****ing run like aids.

I'm pretty much running like said aids for 11 months now, grinding out a TAG-fish's winrate of 1.x ptbb, 100+ bi below ev, innumerable non-aiev suckouts, setups blablabla

Do I play perfect poker? Obv not!

Did I tilt in these 11 months? Hell, yeah!

Do I envy people who run better than me? Ohhhhhhh yes!

I'm not gonna look it up right now, but I'm sure during that period I could find at least two or three 20+ bi downswings, and the last time I checked I didn't particularly suck at this game neither.

I wish none of this ill variance upon either one of you, but please stop telling me that losing 20 buy ins is 100% my own fault. Some of it, like I said before, sure is my fault, but this game can be a wicked bitch and there's nothing you can do about it.

hope you get a break soon sugar nut

Thanks man. I sure as hell hope the same

Ev is a bunch of BS Bad turns bad rivers where u have to c/f or running into the top of ranges, Im over 60BI's below EV this year but thats doesnt tell the whole story...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($122)
BB ($155)
UTG ($122)
UTG+1 ($118)
UTG+2 ($344)
MP1 ($100)
Hero ($110)
CO ($100)
BTN ($106)

Dealt to Hero T J

UTG calls $1, fold, UTG+2 raises to $2, fold, Hero raises to $8.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $6.75

FLOP ($20) J 6 9

UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $13, UTG+2 calls $13

TURN ($46) J 6 9 4

UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $20, UTG+2 calls $20

RIVER ($86) J 6 9 4 2

UTG+2 bets $250, Hero calls $68.85 (AI)

Hero shows T J
(Pre 69%, Flop 85.5%, Turn 93.2%)

UTG+2 shows J 2
(Pre 31%, Flop 14.5%, Turn 6.8%)

UTG+2 wins $220