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04-21-2010 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy
How'd I know this would be your response. Being balanced as the reason you are doing something isn't a good reason at all. Making the most +Ev play is the reason to do something not just because you'd play a bluff like this when villain likely has no clue if you would. Betting turn is way more EV then checking back and betting the river.
I kinda disagree with this. G-bucks = we want to be +EV range vs range wise and not just make Sklansky bucks thus balance does matter

Thoughts on the PF 3bet with 88, how does it change how you'd play against him in the future?
04-21-2010 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable

I disagree with this, hero's range after PF is pairs <AA/KK and AQ/AK mostly and going for the CR on the turn and river seems ok if hero valuebets thinly at all. I mean it's kind of a guessing game if he should rather valuebet turn with AA/KK or not but after hero checks back I think villain kinda has to check again on the river if he does indeed have AA/KK
meh, c/r turn with KK or AA is pretty bad in general and villain probalby knows this if he's played higher

He's way more likely to just keep betting for value with KK+ on a board like this
04-21-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by iCrush Souls
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG): $105.50
MP: $69.75
CO: $102.30
BTN: $100.00
SB: $251.75
BB: $104.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, BB raises to $11, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($22.50) 5 Q 8 (2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero raises to $94.50 all in


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG): $105.50
MP: $69.75
CO: $102.30
BTN: $100.00
SB: $251.75
BB: $104.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, BB raises to $11, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($22.50) 5 Q 8 (2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero calls $15

speaking of people 3betting with a tight range... what line looks best?
so who's the tagfish ^^^ 3bettign 88 vs an UTG open?
04-21-2010 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bilbo-san
meh, c/r turn with KK or AA is pretty bad in general and villain probalby knows this if he's played higher

He's way more likely to just keep betting for value with KK+ on a board like this
Does he really get more than two streets of value from pairs below KK though...maybe he does, maybe not. Depends how hero plays in deep pots I suppose. Basically what I'm saying is there's tons of people who cbet; CR if they have it 100BB deep (pretty exploitable) because they can get it in and that mindset may be present as well deeper

If we make a somewhat dumb assumption for a second and say hero's range was exactly 99+; AQ and AK I think both CR and even C/C (rarely, ignore it for arguments sake) can be concidered if villains range is exactly AA/KK (for arguments sake). It'll check through sometimes but that's mostly vs hands that villain can only get two streets of value from anyways and thus he should CR river vs them because most of the time they check back to bet river

Last edited by clowntable; 04-21-2010 at 08:21 PM.
04-21-2010 , 08:15 PM
People overestimate how important balance is, no matter how much you play with somebody you aren't paying attention enough or see enough hands showndown to have a great understanding of their range in rare spots.

I think the fact that he shows up with 88 proves that you should be betting the turn, he's never c/f the turn with 88 here.
04-21-2010 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsixtie
Balanced ftw?
pretty irrelevant unless you play this guy a lot and he's observant

fact is you check back turn a lot with floats because that's what MOST people do with a made hand, and you know that he thinks that way to.

Your line is way way less likely to be called in general and that's why you float that way, not because you like to "balance"
04-21-2010 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Does he really get more than two streets of value from pairs below KK though...maybe he does, maybe not. Depends how hero plays in deep pots I suppose. Basically what I'm saying is there's tons of people who cbet; CR if they have it 100BB deep (pretty exploitable) because they can get it in and that mindset may be present as well deeper
since he's probably pretty aggro, yes he does, unless he is ******ed and unaware of his own image
04-21-2010 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bilbo-san
since he's probably pretty aggro, yes he does, unless he is ******ed and unaware of his own image
If he's aggro he's also likely to get called lighter if he CR though

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I think the fact that he shows up with 88 proves that you should be betting the turn, he's never c/f the turn with 88 here.
Obviously
04-21-2010 , 08:23 PM
The main thing about that hand is I just think it's bad to play almost any hand like that whether we are bluffing or going for value, betting the turn and reevaluating on the river is just so much better with bluffs and value then checking the turn and betting the river.
04-21-2010 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pokeriseasy
The main thing about that hand is I just think it's bad to play almost any hand like that whether we are bluffing or going for value, betting the turn and reevaluating on the river is just so much better with bluffs and value then checking the turn and betting the river.
Disagreed, checking back turn is a good line if we float because it keeps our percived range stronger and we get more credit if we bet river, especially if we have shown we can VB thinly. Also good if we tend to float with equity (which we should lol) because we get more "free cards".
Granted it also means villain should probably CR or fold rivers more than calling but I'm not sure most people at these stakes even understand this (this villain may but I'm talking about general lines here)

Kinda villain dependant if I'd rather bet turn with floats or check back bet rivers
04-21-2010 , 08:43 PM
I'm only half following the discussion, but rather than getting more credit for my bluffs by checking turn, betting river, I prefer to get less credit for when I have a set?
Am I overestimating how important it is to get stacks in deep with monsters?

That said, at 100nl no one is paying attention so I dont care much for balance except for a couple of spots like checking back flops or stabbing vs check behinds etc.
04-21-2010 , 09:01 PM
Hey guys, I'm looking for a little help with my game (sweat or whatver ANYTHING). I've hired a few winning coaches who've done little to my game. I've been playing for 6 years and have played over 1.5 Mil hands ... but never have I experienced a 350k stretch like this.

I'll out myself -YEHTHASGOOD - playing 100 NL
I'm currently running 72 BI below EV since last september. It causes me to monkey tilt 1 or 2 BI after I get raped every sesh. The past two days alone I've dropped almost 13 BI in EV and I think this is it. My life roll is around 30k but I haven't made any money in almost a year. My mood is f**ed 24/7 because of it. I know I don't contribute as much as I could to this forum, so if or not anyone actually takes the time to read this post and respond ... much is appreciated. /end bitch

Also... sorry for my poor grammar ... I just smoked a ton of weed
04-21-2010 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Disagreed, checking back turn is a good line if we float because it keeps our percived range stronger and we get more credit if we bet river, especially if we have shown we can VB thinly. Also good if we tend to float with equity (which we should lol) because we get more "free cards".
Granted it also means villain should probably CR or fold rivers more than calling but I'm not sure most people at these stakes even understand this (this villain may but I'm talking about general lines here)

Kinda villain dependant if I'd rather bet turn with floats or check back bet rivers
I guess we'll just disagree on this spot, I just can't think of an explanation that somebody can give to convince me that if we are bluffing or want value the better line to take against a reg is to check the turn and bet the river.
04-21-2010 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SykoraG
Hey guys, I'm looking for a little help with my game (sweat or whatver ANYTHING). I've hired a few winning coaches who've done little to my game. I've been playing for 6 years and have played over 1.5 Mil hands ... but never have I experienced a 350k stretch like this.

I'll out myself -YEHTHASGOOD - playing 100 NL
I'm currently running 72 BI below EV since last september. It causes me to monkey tilt 1 or 2 BI after I get raped every sesh. The past two days alone I've dropped almost 13 BI in EV and I think this is it. My life roll is around 30k but I haven't made any money in almost a year. My mood is f**ed 24/7 because of it. I know I don't contribute as much as I could to this forum, so if or not anyone actually takes the time to read this post and respond ... much is appreciated. /end bitch

Also... sorry for my poor grammar ... I just smoked a ton of weed
dawg, obviously dealing with your mental issues will be infinately more helpful than a sweat, I heard bilbo's good with this area, maybe he can help you.
04-21-2010 , 09:41 PM
add eastern motors to the list of regs who hit and run at 6max hu


Last edited by Lusky; 04-21-2010 at 09:50 PM.
04-21-2010 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lusky
add eastern motors to the list of regfish who hit and run at 6max hu
describe
04-21-2010 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iCrush Souls
I wasn't too sure about villain's tendencies since i only have about 100 hands on him. and from that I view him as a nit where he isn't 3betting less than QQ+ from the BB to my utg open.

so flat > raise to 38 > jam is what seems best right?

I'll be checking back blank turns fwiw if checked to me since getting c/r with a ton of equity sucks.
Ok so here's stove output:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.264% 36.48% 15.78% 6501 2812.50 {AdKd }
Hand 1: 47.736% 31.95% 15.78% 5694 2812.50 {QQ+, AKs, AKo }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.599% 36.60% 00.00% 3261 0.00 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 63.401% 63.40% 00.00% 5649 0.00 { QQ+ }


I'm not sure shoving is ever a mistake considering villian would have to be only 3betting QQ+ and no AK's and no other airy hands ever. Honestly I think any of the non-folding options are good. Maybe there's a most +ev way to play it, but so long as you do not fold then you're fine.
04-21-2010 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ScherZo88
describe
fish leaves, couple hands later he plays a big pot against me and wins, then insta leaves
04-21-2010 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lusky
fish leaves, couple hands later he plays a big pot against me and wins, then insta leaves
ya, no offense to eastern as he's otherwise a good guy in my book, but he's a huge table nit.
04-21-2010 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ScherZo88
ya, no offense to eastern as he's otherwise a good guy in my book, but he's a huge table nit.
well staying a few hands and leaving after the big pot, he knows I'm a reg and will play hu, so if he left without going on that would be fine

maybe he is a good guy, idk, just this spot came up for me
04-21-2010 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SykoraG
Hey guys, I'm looking for a little help with my game (sweat or whatver ANYTHING). I've hired a few winning coaches who've done little to my game. I've been playing for 6 years and have played over 1.5 Mil hands ... but never have I experienced a 350k stretch like this.

I'll out myself -YEHTHASGOOD - playing 100 NL
I'm currently running 72 BI below EV since last september. It causes me to monkey tilt 1 or 2 BI after I get raped every sesh. The past two days alone I've dropped almost 13 BI in EV and I think this is it. My life roll is around 30k but I haven't made any money in almost a year. My mood is f**ed 24/7 because of it. I know I don't contribute as much as I could to this forum, so if or not anyone actually takes the time to read this post and respond ... much is appreciated. /end bitch

Also... sorry for my poor grammar ... I just smoked a ton of weed
Sounds like you need a break from poker imo.

I looked for threads you started and only see a few from this year, maybe try posting some hands?

You're also welcome to send me a chunk of 100 hands or so from a table that you feel like you struggled with, or send me like 5 or 6 hands against villains that you had solid reads against and didn't know the best line (just make sure it's in the next couple days as I'm taking a break myself). My 6-max game has struggled lately but I'm sure I can give you some suggestions to help out.
04-21-2010 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
If he's aggro he's also likely to get called lighter if he CR though
...and to whiff on the c/r on a board where just about everything that calls the CR stacks off anyway??
04-21-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lusky
fish leaves, couple hands later he plays a big pot against me and wins, then insta leaves
More like I un-checked the auto-post as soon as the fish left, then sat out when my BB came.

Not willing to play anyone with an even number of chromosomes HU when I'm 12 tabling, sorry. Not changing anytime soon so I guess you can call me a hit and runner.

EDIT: This is a totally different situation that me starting a table with you, which we have done in the past, then me leaving after stacking you. I only start tables when I am not playing a lot already.

Last edited by eastern motors; 04-21-2010 at 10:57 PM.
04-21-2010 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SykoraG
Hey guys, I'm looking for a little help with my game (sweat or whatver ANYTHING). I've hired a few winning coaches who've done little to my game. I've been playing for 6 years and have played over 1.5 Mil hands ... but never have I experienced a 350k stretch like this.

I'll out myself -YEHTHASGOOD - playing 100 NL
I'm currently running 72 BI below EV since last september. It causes me to monkey tilt 1 or 2 BI after I get raped every sesh. The past two days alone I've dropped almost 13 BI in EV and I think this is it. My life roll is around 30k but I haven't made any money in almost a year. My mood is f**ed 24/7 because of it. I know I don't contribute as much as I could to this forum, so if or not anyone actually takes the time to read this post and respond ... much is appreciated. /end bitch

Also... sorry for my poor grammar ... I just smoked a ton of weed
I ran 50BI below EV last November. Yes it sucks but it is pretty standard if you play 1.5mm hands. Just keep playing well if you should be winning after adjusting for EV.
04-21-2010 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by eastern motors
More like I un-checked the auto-post as soon as the fish left, then sat out when my BB came.

Not willing to play anyone with an even number of chromosomes HU when I'm 12 tabling, sorry. Not changing anytime soon so I guess you can call me a hit and runner.
unnacceptable..im gonna go post on your ptr

      
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