PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $201.20 (VPIP: 23.60, PFR: 19.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.63, Hands: 165)
SB: $133.76 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 24)
Hero (BB): $200.00
UTG: $335.86 (VPIP: 27.30, PFR: 22.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.09, Hands: 892)
MP: $136.79 (VPIP: 23.15, PFR: 20.37, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 109)
CO: $241.16 (VPIP: 27.03, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has 9 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $4.00, fold, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($9.00, 2 players) K 6 2
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.00, Hero raises to $18.00, BTN calls $13.00

Turn: ($45.00, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $33.00, BTN calls $33.00

River: ($111.00, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $145.00 and is all-in

Meh not much to say, stats are above and sample not big enough to have postflop tendencies. (23% went to showdown, 100% w$sd)

Thoughts? What should the bottom of his calling range be?

You're repping a pretty narrow value range (i.e. 22, 66 and flushes). Presumably you also 3b at least some of your AX.

I'm definitely not folding AK+, which I guess means that I should probably call even wider, because there's not really any difference between AK and KT except in terms of combos in this spot.

Problem is that since you hold the A, he can't have it which tightens up his calling range on the flop and turn quite a lot. The way this board runs out I don't think hes folding to your shove.

I think he can still have a lot of top/middle pair kind of hands with a spade and has tons of bluffcatchers he gets to the river with.

My thinking is that it's hard for him to call with bluffcatchers i have sets and flushes in my range and my bluffing frequency isn't quite high. I jammed over pot on purpose to make his calls having to be right a higher % of the time hoping that'd fold a bunch of his bluffcatchers.

Not quite sure tbh, if he wants to bluffcatch he can call every 1pair+ on the river and is basically never folding but if he doesn't want to bluffcatch he can fold a huge chunk of his range (everything thats not a flush basically)

im probably folding more hands to a 84$ bet than i am to an overshove

And why is this so?

Any K to be precise seems to be either good or bad in this spot. The shove screams "Fold!!" in which case becomes a decent spot to bluff catch.

The problem here is that if the opponent suspected OP of semi bluffing with lone A or K of then his decision to call the river shove actually was made on turn.

When I flop flush and I bomb flop or turn, so often the weak players just shove over their TP no flush redraw. Decent players on the other hand will call a huge over bet on turn without read with a similar bluff catching range. So, this would be like the champion of value town spots in my experience. An awesome spot to get value but a terrible spot to pull off a bluff.

Would you overbet your value hands in this spot?

Yea absolutely, "he overbets so he must be bluffing" is so 2012

Isn't that the line you just took and it's 2013?

Villain can have sets, flushes and TP hands that he may/may not fold on this runout.

I doubt villain gets to the river with under pairs with a , if he does he's probably not that good and makes it even more unlikely he's folding the river

yea TP hands is a big chunk of the range i hope to make him fold.

Flushes and sets def in there altho sets can put in an extra bet at some point and i'd say he's very likely to. Against 1 pair hands inc top pair and flushes how reasonable is it to hope for folds >57% of the time ?

Totally not aguing my play is good i actually regret it just interested to see that it looks like bluffcatchers shouldnt be folding and that makes me think that 1 pair bluffcatcher hands like 99/88 shud call too...

you should inform ppl about that cuz lot of regs havent heard that news

you also have K6o in your bb flatting range that you can raise on the flop. i mean, you have to have bluffs if you're raising anything here, why not include a bunch of Ax hands with the nfd. i like it. just make sure you're balanced.

Villain's range isn't capped, so you don't need or want to overbet.

Because you block a lot of his folding range, it's such an obvious bluff card, and it's almost impossible to make any money when you hit. Having said that, obviously it has decent equity and retains its equity well against the stronger parts of villains range.

by the way i think your bluff is worse with the As because he never ever fold a flush anyway and it remove the chances of him actually having this draw which could be a good chunck of his calling range

You mean he can discount flush combos but narrow OP's range as to lone Ace of Spades. I'm guessing that's what you mean because I went WTF when I first read it.

No, he means that it's advantageous for us NOT to have the A when we're bluffing because he's likely to fold the river with lots of his A hands.

It's not immediately obvious to me whether the EV of that is higher than the EV we gain by having the A in our bluffing range though.

Doesn't it mean the other way around also, for him? The fact that he doesn't have it make it even more possible that OP would bluff shove with the nut blocker.

So, then him having the nut blocker makes it all possible that OP actually does have the flush then? It doesn't help remove any of set combos for instance.

trouble is you rep a narrow value range and preflop action means your overall range is very wide. I prefer a smaller river bet because it becomes more conceivable that you could have smaller flushes and sets. I'm not saying you wouldn't shove those hands but it's easy for villain to say overbet = nut flush or air and click call.

Good point. Personally my defending range is pretty wide and i will check-raise bet bomb sets/flushes, i just happen to balance it once in a while with bluffs and AsX seems like the best hand to bluff flop/turn with for obvious reasons so while my defending range is pretty wide i will check-call a ton on high card x x texture which means i wont be getting to the river with a ton of random bluffs so i feel like in vilains shoes, hes sort of likely to not even get to the river with his sets because i feel most are getting it on flop or turn so 1) his snapcall range isnt too large 2) his bluffcatching range shud be aware that i wont be bluffing a ton which led me to think its a good spot to bluff.

Regardig the fact i have the blocker to a part of his continuing range, true but id say its not that relevant it also blocks his nut flushes which is the most likely hand to be slowplayed in vilains shoes

Do we actually need to raise this flop?