Never seen villain before this session but he seems like a bit of a wild one, running at 35/30 with 23.4% 3bet. Only like 150 hands though so take that for what it's worth. So far we've played a handful of pots, the first two of which I noticed he wasn't fully stacked, so don't think he's a reg. On two occasions I'd 3bet him and he'd folded to turn bets after calling the flop both times. Then in another pot he flatted my utg raise with JTo, called a 983hhs flop, then shoved over my turn bet on Qs turn, and I foolishly called him off with A8ss (3rd pair+nfd), but w/e, he wasn't even 100bb deep. I don't recall being 3bet by him before this hand.


Full Tilt Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $196.15
CO: $200.00
BTN: $214.50
SB: $634.90
BB: $946.80
Hero (UTG): $639.20

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J Q
Hero raises to $7, MP calls $7, 2 folds, SB raises to $30, 1 fold, Hero calls $23, 1 fold

Flop: ($69.00) 5 9 T (2 players)
SB bets $69.00, Hero calls $69

I'm not sure if there's too much to be said about preflop and the flop, but any thoughts are welcomed of course. I figure that this deep I'm getting decent implied odds to take a flop in position. I know that we will sometimes get into sticky spots but I'm confident in my ability to not go ape**** when I flop a pair. Flop seems a fairly trivial call, not sure what raising would accomplish and folding doesn't seem like an option.

Turn: ($207.00) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $207.00, Hero? (villain has $328.90 back)

So both the flop and turn he pretty much instantly pots. What are your thoughts on the turn? I mean yeah we are drawing dead to 55/99/TT but I think his range is weighted more to overpairs. Whether he would fold them to a shove is difficult to say, but having put in 1.5 buyins already he might find it hard. Does that make this a call? All comments appreciated

work out the odds. I think this is a fold after further thought.

he doesn't have a set and this is clearly an overpair trying to go for value.

thats all there is to it really. call and try to hit your set/flush. although beware that the K might boat them up, which kinda sucks, so you should work that into your calculations. the Ah or Kh might boat them up as well.

you have like 25% equity here. you need 33%, but i think you're getting good implied odds on a call. i dont mind folding either, as calling is a bit speculative. folding reduces variance, thats pretty much it.

fold, variance sucks.

He has an overpair always here. Pokerstove.com

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easy call.

Call. Sure he can cooler you with a boated river K, but you can prob steal it with a rivered club and supervalue on straights/flushes.

I don't know if we can steal it with $300 into a $600 pot on the river he might call anyway

Yea i'd be sorta on the fence bout shoving river as bluff. I mean his overpair is basically bluffcatching if he c/c river on a club assuming he doesn't shove himself but meh, people usually just go wutever i call by the river in 3bp's

Pretty sure I know exactly who you're talking about and if I'm right about that, he has massive tells with his betting that you should have picked up on by now. He's weak here almost always and he will pot the river if you call. I shove now but haven't run numbers on it.

Ignore this if villain's name doesn't end in "ben"

yep

is this seriously an easy call?

we have a bit more then a half pot left.

so you expect him to c/f a lot on the river?

sounds like spew 300bb deep. we have Q high, we don't even beat a ton of his bluffs and we have no solid read that he isn't 3barreling them. also Q/J river are highly problematic.

this sounds only profitable if he has a decent amount of air, in which case raising flop or turn sounds better to me.

i fold turn and feel good about it.

Yeah that is the same villain. Tbh I've picked up these things to a greater extent after this hand was played, as I mentioned before this is the first pot I've played with him where either a) he was the preflop aggressor, and b)he had a stack of > like 70BBs, and obv as it was Rush I haven't got to see him play vs other opponents. But yeah, now I do have a much better idea of what to expect from him now compared to the time of this hand.

I had to take a phone call around the time this hand was played so annoyingly I wasn't really able to think about it as clearly as possible. I briefly toyed with the idea of shoving turn in my mind but in the end decided to call



Turn: ($207.00) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $207.00, Hero calls $207

River: ($621.00) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero?

Anyone see any merit in bluffing river? Like, I realise we don't rep much at all, but do u think we can ever get him off an overpair? Could he ever play like AK, maybe AKhh like this? Pretty much the only legit hand I could ever have here would be exactly 98hh and even that would be a bit far fetched.

if you call turn most river checked to you are a must shove imho.

I didn't do the math, but i'm quite sure that floating turn is only profitable if you shove a lot of rivers checked to you.

And it's not to make him fold overpairs, if you think his range is mostly overpairs calling turn is major spew imho.

He could have DBed KQ,nutfd,******ed played AQ/AK....

I don't think villian is ever folding an overpair in this spot, but you give yourself a good price on your bluff.


But this is surely one of the worse river to bluff so i'm not so sure about everything i've written

If you gonna vbet the river then I think betting $150 is better than shoving.

If we are going to bluff the river when checked to i like shoving the turn instead. This prevents him from bluffing us out on the river when we miss, and also he may fold over pairs on turn, although not very often. I honestly think if we want to contine in this hand on turn we have to shove.

What?

he probably means we're looking to fold out air primarly, so we could make it cheaper.

but the "vbet" confuses me too, because vbetting 150 with a strong hand would be ******ed imho ^^

Yeah. If we are value betting this river, the only option is all in.

What strong hands can we have? He's never check/folding an over pair here and he will cry call with a Tx given how the board ran out, imo.

so do you call turn? i have to admit i was suprised by a lot of answers in this thread discussing what to do on the turn.

check this river. Its terrible and hes prob not folding.

Bonk, hes much more likely to shove with air and check a made hand here.