Villain is a solid reg. Haven't seen him 3-bet much.

Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($405)
SB ($99)
BB ($605.65)
Hero (UTG) ($255.32)
MP ($250.10)
CO ($413.30)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, CO raises to $24, 3 folds, Hero calls $17

Flop: ($51) 9, J, 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($51) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($51) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Total pot: $51 | Rake: $3.05

I think here you should be value betting your hand on the turn... Of course you would then have to call a shove since there are so many draws not to mention your drawing to the straight. If he had a set or KK AA I think hes cbetting the flop...

If what you say is relatively close than you can eliminate QK from his 3 bet range you should be ahead here most of the time unless hes getting trick with a set. The way the hand played out it looks like he holds an AQ AK hand... looking to hit his gutshot cheaply by checking the flop.

Now I'm curious... What was his hand?

Checking turn is okay. Bet river.


Total pot: $51 | Rake: $3.05
Question, I play on full-tilt, so what 5%, max $3. What is the rake on that size, 6%? to a max of?

4b preflop

meh, calling isn't bad. most decent villains aren't shoving AQ/JJ- there with no history unless hero's some crazy lag or something, but they'll bet low flops w/ AK all day.

4bet pf, bet flop for value/protect....once flop checks through we have to bet turn. So many worse hands can call thinking we're fos a good pct of the time. I really don't like the flop check mainly. If it was to c/r, I think that very slightly overvalues our hand and sucks the few times villain shoves where we could be drawing dead. B/c flop is much better than c/r/AI....Villain can be raising quite a few draws as well as bluff rarely. OP why the flop check?

Because I get no value from AK, AQ. Anything else like 99-AA has me beat.

flop and turn is fine. I throw out 40 on the river.

Yeah river is a bet, if villain had QQ beat he would not be checking the turn behind. You can get looked up by Jx going for potcontrol or AK/AQ sometimes. Villain is def betting the turn with Tx and I doubt he's checking the flop with a set or 2pair close to ever, so there's really not many hands at all you're behind of. Maybe KK going for a really passive potcontrol line. I think pf/flop are fine. Are you check calling the flop or checkraising all-in?

Does anyone like leading 30 on the flop, then shoveling if raised? I rarely lead into preflop raisers but this seems like a spot where I might do it...

Vbet river at least.

I would have c/r the flop.

Oh and I guess I could have gotten value from AQ on the turn.

Good point, fair enough. Didn't quite think of it in terms of that. I'd rather just lead into villain and make hand easier to play. This is a very coordinated board and he "should" be checking most his range except sets/QK obv or AKcc. We have Qc so that eliminates a draw with AQcc he could have. I'd rather bet flop tho....just makes it easier to play imo.

I disagree ,we are somewhat deepish against a player who has a tight 3 betting ,i think our hand have much more value postflop vs his 3 betting range .
As played i would bet the turn 100 % of the time for value and most importantly to protect our hand, lot of dead money in the pot and he has decent equity share if he has AK .
Also it will be almost impossible to get value from worse hand on rivr.

btw i like the idea of check raising flop .

Kind of deepish? We are <130bb. 4bet this preflop please, flatting QQ is just awful in this scenario.

As played can donk river. Good here always.

According to our hero , vilain doesn t 3 bet much , so it would be fair to assume he would have a tight 3 betting range vs an utg raise and 3 people yet to act behind him ,so let s say (88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo) plus our hero have vilain tagged has a solid oponnent so my guess is that he would probably fold (JJ-88,AQs-AJs,KQs).

Let s also assume for simplicity sake that vilain either shove or fold which is probably what would happen in most cases.


ev of a 4 bet when he fold : (JJ-88,AQs-AJs,KQs) is actually 50 % of his 3 bet range ,so half of the time he fold and we get what s in the pot
(1+2+7+24)
ev = +34

ev of a 4 bet when he shoves and we call QQ+,AKs,AKo) is the other 50 % of his 3 betting range and our QQ have around 40 % equity vs that , so 40% of the time we win 255 $ +blinds and 60 % of the time we loose 255$ + blinds.
(255+3*0.40) -(255+3*0.60)=
103 -155
ev = -52

ev of a 4 bet preflop :Well , we win 34 bucks 50 % of the time and we loose 52 bucks the other half .
(34*0.50)-(52*0.50)
17-26
ev= -9

The point i wanna make is that the 55 extra we have in our stack really matter.
Obv if you change the range a little you could make this play slightly profitable but the variance is kind of gross in that spot imo .

*I m pretty bad at math so if someone knows a little could you review my ev calc and give me the seal of approval ,tx .

Unless you think he's capable of raise/folding KK+, this is bad because you'd just be value-towning yourself a ton. You also give him the opportunity to play perfectly vs you with a hand like AK whereas if you check, you might be able to get him to cbet AK and get value that way.