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09-23-2009 , 08:17 PM

proudlikeagod

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 629

Villain:27/21/2.7

3bet 10, squize 11, fold to 4bet 81.

i was surprised by his call and desided to see something weak, coulz my AK blocks AA/KK, QQ and JJ he'd pushed pre..

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG xNimzo49x ($379.60)
CO Hero ($200)
BTN toasTTTT ($197)
SB milev ($171.70)
BB Chefnatter ($218.20)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO A

1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, milev calls $6, Chefnatter raises to $25, Hero raises to $52, milev folds, Chefnatter calls $27

Flop: 2

($120, 2 players)
Chefnatter checks, Hero bets $80, Chefnatter goes all-in $166.20, Hero goes all-in $68

Turn: 3

($434.20, 2 players, 2 all-in)

River: J

($434.20, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $407

09-23-2009 , 08:33 PM

potpotshove

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,242

He's only shoving with better here since he has no FE since you only have 68 behind.

09-23-2009 , 08:36 PM

proudlikeagod

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 629

had to call 68 i had equity vs from 22 to QQ

09-23-2009 , 08:39 PM

AlexMack24

adept

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 783

He didn't say you shouldn't call. He said when he makes this move, he'll never have worse. He only makes this move if you bet in the first place.

09-23-2009 , 08:41 PM

proudlikeagod

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 629

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexMack24

He didn't say you shouldn't call. He said when he makes this move, he'll never have worse. He only makes this move if you bet in the first place.

u mean i shouldnt have cbet there? and just c/f?

09-23-2009 , 09:19 PM

Gaszzzz

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,935

check behind flop

09-23-2009 , 09:40 PM

Schlager233

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 398

I think your 4 bet is too small and gives him the opportunity to actually flat. You want to 4 bet to a size where he has only two options of either shoving over it or folding. You gave him too much room to maneuver and that's okay if you have AA/KK (or you were much deeper stacks) but you have AK and a 100bb stack and it's hard to play the hand postflop 4 bets deep when you miss the flop as seen here. You can't do any right on this flop other than checking back and then folding to his turn bet.

09-24-2009 , 07:21 AM

proudlikeagod

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 629

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlager233

im mixing "min" or "gay" 4bet vs squizers from good hand to small pp

09-25-2009 , 04:33 AM

hereandnow

adept

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 355

check flop behind, and your c-bet size is awful

09-25-2009 , 04:54 AM

#10

Lord_Ferus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,805

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schlager233

depends on how much hes 4bet bluffing.. this betsize is actually used to make your 4bet bluffs cheaper.. and he has do the balancing with made hands due to that.. prf is fine..

check behind flop as allready mentioned.

09-25-2009 , 05:18 AM

#11

Melchiades

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Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,045

Quote:

Originally Posted by hereandnow

check flop behind, and your c-bet size is awful

This.

09-25-2009 , 10:20 AM

#12

starchyy

adept

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,168

Say we check behind the flop, and he bets the turn (60), what do you think about shoving over? Or would you rather just fold? Why?

FWIW, I think his range here is something like 88-TT, maybe JJ. Don't see him flatting a 4bet like this with AQ or KQ. And like OP said, I'm pretty sure he's getting it in pre w/ QQ. Question is, would he ever fold an overpair to a shove here.

09-25-2009 , 10:41 AM

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Thrahl

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,763

Quote:

Originally Posted by starchyy

Say we check behind the flop, and he bets the turn (60), what do you think about shoving over? Or would you rather just fold? Why?

Thats a great value line but pretty terrible here as once he bets the turn he isnt folding anything but bluffs.

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