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NL200: AJs busted flush hits TPTK on river, fishy line NL200: AJs busted flush hits TPTK on river, fishy line

11-12-2008 , 01:14 PM
Villain is 21/17/3.

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $663.95 (332 bb)
BTN: $57.20 (28.6 bb)
SB: $383.20 (191.6 bb)
BB: $63.22 (31.6 bb)
UTG: $206 (103 bb)
Hero (MP): $361.63 (180.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with J A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls $6, BB folds

Flop: ($16) 7 T 5 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero raises to $36, SB calls $24

Sometimes I'd call, but I don't mind inflating the pot, or getting it in.

Turn: ($88) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, SB calls $50

Sort of follow up after the flop raise. I could see the river for free, but if I do not fill, I'll have to fold to a donk bet which he should do with his whole range. Betting, hoping not to be check-raised (in which case I fold).

River: ($188) J (2 players)
SB bets $120, Hero ...

villain donks again. The whole line is kinda fishy, else I'm not used to his thought proccess. Sets try to get it in earlier. Looks more like a busted flush draw and a bluff. But would a 21/17 play like this?
11-12-2008 , 01:30 PM
dunno but it feels like you're being value towned on river..

also wtf @ getting it in on flop w/fd+overs for almost 200bb..you like maney, right ?
11-12-2008 , 02:08 PM
check turn behind, fold river. Also works to flat the flop.
11-12-2008 , 02:51 PM
Getting it in on flop no good. Fold river, looks a lot like TJ. Could of course be missed flushdraw.
11-12-2008 , 06:21 PM
Flop and turn are fine.

River is a fold, youre repping a monster and villain doesnt seem to care.

Last edited by Thrahl; 11-12-2008 at 06:34 PM.
11-12-2008 , 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradley Mike
Getting it in on flop no good. Fold river, looks a lot like TJ. Could of course be missed flushdraw.
wat
11-12-2008 , 08:01 PM
I think the flop raise is good, but why bet the turn? What better hands are we getting him to fold/ what worse hands are we getting value from? All I can think of is 89 which I can't imagine him playing like this. As played, I think you're getting valued on the river.
11-13-2008 , 05:11 AM
Thanks for all the answers.

Getting in on the flop is indeed a bit optimistic. Stack sizes do not play a huge role in my equity, but villain will tighten his all-in range, which makes matters worse.
Only if villain also jams all 89o in addition of the better draws (i.e. 8h9h,7h8h,6h7h,6h8h), two pairs and sets, do I have decent equity.

He had 89 for straight and flush draws. The straight got there. His line OOP was bet/call, check/call, and obviously value-bet river. Was it reasonable for him to play the way he did?
Just to know if I'll look forward to sit at his table in the future...
11-13-2008 , 05:24 AM
i'd fold the river, i don't really like his play with any sort of hand tbh.
11-13-2008 , 08:47 AM
you think he should lead turn or 3bet flop w 98hh?
11-13-2008 , 09:33 AM
I really hate the turn bet size. Bet bigger or check it back imo. That bet will fold out like 0% of his range and serves no purpose.
11-13-2008 , 10:05 AM
i'm with orange that his line is really bad for any type of hand - his flop lead is pretty bad if he's not intending to 3bet you, he just juices up the pot OOP, turn c/c is obviously fine, and on the river he just got scared he won't get any value (i wonder what is he doing if we repop him on the river; plus if we bet the river, we're repping a fh or the same hand he's got, because some overpair should normally check it back since it's got a ton of showdown value against missed draws and i don't think any T can get curious enough to look us up, because it doesn't beat anything) and all draws have missed etc, so he might rep a bluff or something. but all in all, his flop play is atrocious. river is debatable, but still pretty bad

as for the hero's line - i really don't like the turn bet, it won't fold our much of his range after he donk/calls this flop. He is not donking to fold, so he is not checking on the turn to fold either, and your hand can't stand a c/r this deep (100bb deep it's proooobably okay to shove)
11-13-2008 , 10:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skleice
I really hate the turn bet size. Bet bigger or check it back imo. That bet will fold out like 0% of his range and serves no purpose.
i agree with regards to your turn bet sizing. river i fold since all you beat is a bluff and you're not getting good odds on the call.
11-13-2008 , 10:12 AM
the river is a very easy fold, just look at his line.

he b/c flop, and then c/c turn. looks like a monster that doesn't want you to check behind the river. I don't think he takes this line w/ air or missed draws cause he has no reason to think you are folding, the J on the river doesn't change much, you aren't really ever taking this line with AT or something.

      
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