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***** Hand History for Game 18427461095 ***** (Full Tilt)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, February 13, 10:50:22 ET 2010
Table International (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Tweelingen ( $200.00 USD )
Seat 2: mojojc ( $69.05 USD )
Seat 3: DoktorGre ( $281.65 USD )
Seat 4: icehawk ( $532.15 USD )
Seat 5: CrazyDonk Inc ( $412.20 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $203.35 USD )
icehawk posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
CrazyDonk Inc posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
[PF]
Dealt to HERO [ A A ]
HERO raises [$7.00 USD]
Tweelingen folds
mojojc calls [$7.00 USD]
DoktorGre calls [$7.00 USD]
icehawk folds
CrazyDonk Inc folds
** Dealing [FLOP]** [ 9, 3, J ]
HERO bets [$16.00 USD]
mojojc folds
DoktorGre raises [$52.00 USD]
HERO ??


I think this is super standard get it in situation. Or is it? But the reason I put this here is that the stack sizes are pretty annoying. I'm getting called only by better hands if I shove it. And if I call theres million bad turn cards.
So which is the best line? Can we get away from this hand?
Villain is 24/18/2,7 winning reg.

I'm slightly concerned by the fact we block AJ and nut flush draw combos but I probably would get it in and prepare to embrace variance since I think we're often against a combo draw that usually thinks it has a live overcard. I guess u could call but it's gona end being tricky as hell to play on a lot of turn cards and can set you up for bigger mistakes on later streets vs getting it in now or even folding. I'm at work now but will try and stove a range later on but I think getting it in won't be terrible even though all our options suck to a degree. And we do have backdoor spades to go with our 2 outs if we do happen to run into a set.

tough spot, because we assume that a winning reg isn't going to overplay tp to our UTG open, but he's going to play a fairly wide range OTB so it's not as if he's limited to sets. on the other hand this board is wet, so maybe that'd motivate him to play tp faster like 2% of the time. What's annoying is the fact that the Js is not a spade, so he cannot have a hand like KsJs.

in theory I feel like we should fold. At the table it's sort of like in your ***** face all in

How are stack sizes annoying? You are 100bb deep.

Yeah, I just put in a small raise here to induce a shove. It's not a super great spot and you should even be checking your AA here a small percentage of the time versus tough players. Not for pot control or anything goofy. Just there are good ways the hand plays out if you make it such that you can't be raised on the flop where getting draws it is super cool.

I think the stack sizes are annoying because if I raise he sees right away that im commited. The raise size doesnt really matter. But if we were deepper i could raise to not commiting looking sum, and if shorter i could just ship it in happily.

Stack sizes would be wayyy more annoying if you were 200BB deep as you would be more apt to make a large error. With 100BB, the hands becomes easier to play on both players behalf. He may be willing to get >100BB in with a naked draw some of the time, but prob not 200BB unless there was a lot of history and the player was good/tricky.

I agree with chillout, you having the As, reduces the combos of AsXs hands he can have in this spot. I think the combinations of sets here are greater than the number of draws he can show up with. This seems close to a fold to me. It is pretty close I would think because with another player in the hand, it is not unreasonable for him to have KQs, and other combo draws, but again, the number of draws he is raising with here becomes limited with you having the As.