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NL200 99 - 3bet pot vs. solid reg NL200 99 - 3bet pot vs. solid reg

03-17-2008 , 09:50 PM
BTN: $409.70
SB: $184.00
BB: $224.50
UTG: $142.40
UTG+1 $199.55
Hero (CO): $200.80

Villain is pretty good TAG. In past sessions we 3bet/4bet each other a ton, but this session we have not tangled.
I called his 3bet because he can surely think I am stealing and he is 3betting me light (my ATSB is 35 fwiw, my image is similar to his).
I didn't think there was value in a turn bet and thought I could get CRAI.


Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 9 9
1 fold, Hero raises to $7.00, 1 fold, SB raises to $21.00, 1 fold, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($44.00) 5 T 6
SB bets $35.00, Hero calls $35

Turn: ($114.00) 2
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($114.00) 7
SB bets $75.00, Hero...

Do I have to call here because I induced or is this a strong hand that missed a turn check raise?
03-17-2008 , 10:00 PM
Your line looks alot like you have a medium strength hand with showdown value, ie a mid pair. If you had nothing you would have presumably bet the turn, and if you had an overpair or set you would probably have played it faster. I doubt he expects you to fold 88 or 99 here, and 77 just hit trips. If he had AK and wanted to bluff it would make more sense for him to bet the flop and turn, not the flop and river.
I think you should fold here.
03-17-2008 , 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adama
Your line looks alot like you have a medium strength hand with showdown value, ie a mid pair. If you had nothing you would have presumably bet the turn, and if you had an overpair or set you would probably have played it faster. I doubt he expects you to fold 88 or 99 here, and 77 just hit trips. If he had AK and wanted to bluff it would make more sense for him to bet the flop and turn, not the flop and river.
I think you should fold here.
Why would you bet a offsuit 2 turn card which is the least scary card in the deck?

I think your hand looks like either a medium strength hand or essentially air.

I can definitely see him doing this with a missed draw of some sort, and 67s, JhQh, and hands like that can certainly be in his 3bing range pf.

I don't mind a call here.
03-17-2008 , 10:26 PM
I'd have you on a range of JJ,99-77 by the river. If he's bluffing this river he can only hope to fold out 99,88.That said what of his range checks the turn for pot control, c/r or giving up? AA-JJ,99-88,AK,AQ,AJ. When he bets 2/3 on the river i eliminate 99-88 from his holdings. He can have AA-QQ,JJ,AK-AJ and i'm not convinced AA-QQ slows down on the turn for a c/r often; his range is largely JJ,AK-AJ. Its a tough one because villain knows you have a hand that can be bluffed and there are a decent set of whiffed overs in villains range. I'd usually fold this but I can see arguments for calling as well.
03-17-2008 , 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by offmandh
Why would you bet a offsuit 2 turn card which is the least scary card in the deck?

I think your hand looks like either a medium strength hand or essentially air.
Why would you check the turn with air, regardless of how scary the offsuit 2 is? You are going to pay $35 on the flop just to check the turn with air? WTF?

Hero's hand looks exactly like 99-QQ or a T or maybe a draw.
03-17-2008 , 10:39 PM
My line of reasoning is that whatever he puts you on on the flop he puts you on on the turn.

For example you can rep an A scare card but the 2 doesn't change anything. What's wrong with that thought process?

Last edited by offmandh; 03-17-2008 at 10:44 PM.
03-17-2008 , 11:08 PM
it depends. fold the river typically because most players will not be bluffing here. a tag will bet the turn if he does plan on bluffing. this seems like such a poor spot to bluff in his spot and he can't really rep a whole lot of bluff type hands.

BUT if he's a good player and he recognizes that then he can sometimes bet here. your hand is already faceup as a showdown hand, it just depends what % he thinks your range is in terms of something like 77-JJ or something like that and how often he thinks he can get you to fold. i think standard is to fold in this spot because tags are pussy and won't be bluffing here a whole lot.
03-17-2008 , 11:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by offmandh
My line of reasoning is that whatever he puts you on on the flop he puts you on on the turn.

For example you can rep an A scare card but the 2 doesn't change anything. What's wrong with that thought process?
If hero calls the flop with air, it is because he thinks that he can take the hand away later by bluffing. There would be no point to calling the flop with air if hero didn't intend to bluff when the villain shows weakness by checking. Otherwise you are just calling down with nothing, which is obviously bad.
03-18-2008 , 12:30 AM
Oh snap, I thought the flop action went ck/call.

MY BAD
03-18-2008 , 12:31 AM
I would think my arguement applies to his line thought. I don't think he bluffs the offsuit 2 on the turn.
03-18-2008 , 08:28 AM
***bump for mornin' playas*** Better line to take here???

      
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