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NL200 5max, Paired flop with flushdraw, calling range to river shove NL200 5max, Paired flop with flushdraw, calling range to river shove

01-15-2010 , 11:13 AM
Villain seems pretty solid TAG 23/18 Agg 4.2 over 1.6k hands. 3bets open from CO around 7 % and flats in Button only 7 % of hands. I cbet smallish as board is pretty dry and villain folds to cbets quite a lot arounf 60 % and vbet turn and river pretty standard betsizes. No need to mix my betsizes as he won't call bigger bets light or bluff when shoving weakness. What range of hands you call here, is he turning any made hands into a bluff?

Ongame Network $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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SB: $281.90
Hero (BB): $264.10
CO: $267.50
BTN: $87.75

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB
Hero raises to $7, CO calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17.00) Q Q 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $11.00, CO calls $11

Turn: ($39.00) J (2 players)
Hero bets $26.00, CO calls $26

River: ($91.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $62.00, CO raises to $223.50, Hero folds
01-15-2010 , 11:20 AM
What is your hand? Did CO limp pre?
01-15-2010 , 11:24 AM
Postions got mixed up. I'm opening from CO and villain flats from BU. I tell my hand later.
01-15-2010 , 11:33 AM
Generally I'd say villain's river value range here is the nut flush and boats... it's a 5max table playing 4handed so maybe he could raise a few more flushes for value. I don't think this is a spot where villain is generally likely to turn 99 or w/e into a bluff, even if you think he's capable of doing that- your range looks pretty polarized here.
01-15-2010 , 11:38 AM
I call every flush, every Qx , FHs obv, probably nothing else.
Are KK/AA in your range when you triple barrel? I fold them.
01-15-2010 , 11:44 AM
I probably call with Khi flush or better. I think villain's range is nut flush+ since hes probably not calling turn with low flush draws. I don't want to fold everything though. Good plays can show up with low pairs turned to bluffs here i think.

Question to others: Do you think this is a spot where we could use gametheory? ie, call with top 41% of our range since villains raise has to work 59%. Or is this too strong of a line by villain to do something like that?
01-15-2010 , 11:52 AM
Well , he is calling any flushdraw OTF.
When the J hits he can either have a J to go or an OESD to go with the flushdraw.
So he might have lower flushes.
01-15-2010 , 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recteur
Are KK/AA in your range when you triple barrel? I fold them.

AA/KK are in my triplebarrel range against this villain. I think he's calling some pp's here sometimes. How is AA/KK different here from Qx when calling shove. I think villains valuerange here is flushes and boats. I think villain is expecting me to call with Qx, which is big part of my range. I was weak and mucked KQ, I think it's still good muck.
01-15-2010 , 03:14 PM
thank god for ad block on firefox .... (regarding rectum's avatar)
01-15-2010 , 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jougi
AA/KK are in my triplebarrel range against this villain. I think he's calling some pp's here sometimes. How is AA/KK different here from Qx when calling shove. I think villains valuerange here is flushes and boats. I think villain is expecting me to call with Qx, which is big part of my range. I was weak and mucked KQ, I think it's still good muck.
I didnt mean AA/KK was different in the shove aspect, however it is on previous streets. Not that it matters so much to your decision but anyway, probably a good fold if you feel like it.
01-15-2010 , 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recteur
I call every flush, every Qx , FHs obv, probably nothing else.
Are KK/AA in your range when you triple barrel? I fold them.
why do you call Qx but fold AA? doesn't make sense to me? what range do you put him that you would make you call Q3 and but fold AA?

      
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