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nl100sh Top2 on flushboard vs minraise, is 3betting here standard? nl100sh Top2 on flushboard vs minraise, is 3betting here standard?

04-21-2008 , 10:18 AM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BB: $80.00
UTG: $86.30
CO: $101.85
BTN: $103.95
Hero (SB): $99.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K Q
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.00) 6 K Q (2 players)
Hero bets $8, UTG raises to $16, Hero raises....

Just joined table, my second hand, no reads.

Would a raise with 100bb be also standard?
04-21-2008 , 12:02 PM
People act really crazy on monotone flops... and people often become spewtards with anything as low as TPGK or worse.

Personally, like the flop bet, and I'd call the min-raise. Then I'd overbet the pot on the turn if it's a non-club below T.

I don't like 3-betting the flop because if you're ahead right now, (which we may NOT be, keep in mind), then he probably has a lot of outs on you. With two cards to come, his pot equity on all the money going in on the flop betting street won't be that bad. I'd much prefer you wait til a safe turn, when there's only one more card to come, and you're closer to 70/30 ahead if he has something like a pair and a club. THAT'S the edge where you want the majority of your stack going in, not somewhere close to 50/50 AND in a spot that pot commits you out of position for BAD turns.

That way you can get away relatively cheaply if a bad turn comes, or you can check and let him price you in (he might even think OMG NUTS and check through to be sneaky) so you can chase your 4 outs.
04-21-2008 , 12:19 PM
I disagree w/ above. I think not b/3b here is a mistake(esp vs 85BB stack). We're likely good and there are so many cards that kil our action/are bad for us that we just want to go ahead and put the $ in the middle.
04-21-2008 , 12:24 PM
Yeah I'd 3bet this, we have top two so if he has a pair and draw then he'll be drawer thinner than he thinks. I'd just shove to make it look like draw.
04-21-2008 , 12:32 PM
I disagree and I think bet/call flop, overbet safe turn is significantly better than b/3b flop, especially because we're out of position.

What's your plan if a club comes off on the turn, after 3-betting flop? Open push? Check/call push? Check/fold? Those all suck.

I want the stack-sized pot-committing bet to come from me when he has 1 more card to catch a club, not 2. And with a built-in plan to get away from it if it the board ****s on us.

Last edited by TJ Eckleburg12; 04-21-2008 at 12:42 PM. Reason: I think disagreeing "vehemently" is a bit much, sorry I've been emailing lawyers all day lol

      
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