NL100, to v bet or not to v bet - Small Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Two Plus Two Forums Archived Forums Strategy Small Stakes PL/NL

NL100, to v bet or not to v bet

...

05-09-2011 , 08:06 AM

mmac900

banned

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,197

Simple question, villain is a passive fish, just calls, but his river check made me think he really is weak here, but do I get value from anything often enough? I didn't bet the turn because he has been raising me a lot and i wanted to trap him.

$0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

BB: $195.85
UTG: $179.15
Hero (MP): $103.40
CO: $70.05
BTN: $102.65
SB: $293.01

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with J

1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.00) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.00, SB calls $5

Turn: ($18.00) J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($18.00) T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12.00, SB calls $12

05-09-2011 , 08:18 AM

Lord_Ferus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,805

bet Turn > bet River

05-09-2011 , 08:21 AM

premii

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmac900

I didn't bet the turn because he has been raising me a lot and i wanted to trap him.

Does not compute. Wouldnt it be just best to bet and let him raise with worse then? And how is he passive when he raises you alot?

05-09-2011 , 08:24 AM

mmac900

banned

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,197

Quote:

Originally Posted by premii

Does not compute. Wouldnt it be just best to bet and let him raise with worse then? And how is he passive when he raises you alot?

K I forgot to add some important info. The guy is USUALLY passive but today he was running like a GOD and had it everytime he raised basically and if I bet I wouldn't want to fold and he would stack me again basically.

05-09-2011 , 08:34 AM

premii

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmac900

Just bet the turn if hes passive and let him call with worse. Getting raised sucks if he only raises with better but you miss way too much value by checking turn and it doesnt really make sense against this kind of opponent.

05-09-2011 , 08:35 AM

Lord_Ferus

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,805

blabla fish thinking?

05-09-2011 , 10:08 AM

SPSpewy

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,360

Bet turn and cbh river.

05-09-2011 , 10:23 AM

Reemix

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,930

biggest mistake is not betting turn. If he raises you a lot then it's even better. If you think he has the nuts every time he raises you, then it's an easy fold right?

As played I'd bet something like 1/3 pot. $12 is too big imo. Better to check back than bet so big.

05-09-2011 , 04:47 PM

Cabe

adept

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 976

I agree with others - absolutely bet turn. Tons of worse hands are calling.

River is pretty thin, and in general, fish are very wary on 4 straight boards.

05-09-2011 , 04:49 PM

#10

Cabe

adept

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 976

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmac900

This is really a poor way to approach the turn. Not betting the turn for the 'fear of being check raised + not being willing to fold' is just a poor / lazy way to play.

There's clear value in a turn bet. Lots of worse hands are calling.

05-09-2011 , 05:59 PM

#11

bryan21

stranger

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1

This doesn't make much sense. All hero has is second pair and the river puts 4 to a straight on the board and a possible flush. I'd be more concerned about a check raise on the end after the river. I understand betting the flop and betting the turn would've been a good idea. I would have just checked behind on the river.

05-09-2011 , 09:48 PM

#12

Oliver Klozoff

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,099

Bet turn, really don't like betting the river, it's really hard to get called by worse, even vs a station. Think about it, we're beat by any ace, any 9, clubs, sets, AK-K8. If we knew he'd have and call any King, QT/JT, other ******ed stuff maybe, but vs the avg passive fish, easy check back.

05-09-2011 , 10:14 PM

#13

dshan

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 63

bet 11 on turn. way too many cards that eliminate your value on river, or even put you behind. i don't understand how you checking back turn is determined by him raising you a lot. this would make more sense if you were UTG, which would allow a large cb and value on brick river. this is not to mention, as others have posted, that there are a TON of worse hands calling your CRAI

as played, i dont think betting really accomplishes much on river. cb

05-09-2011 , 11:18 PM

#14

Glide234

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 228

Check/call river is how I would proceed if I missed a turn check raise and the river completes draws. If the river improves my hand I'll probably check/raise the river.

05-10-2011 , 12:28 AM

#15

Buff Disciple

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,151

Its all been said. Turn is a super easy bet, and based on your reads a super easy fold if raised. This shouldn't be a fear. River there is absolutely positively 0 value in a river bet. Even worse 2pr (JT) has to fold. Just see sd

05-10-2011 , 01:49 AM

#16

Jex

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,326

as played i check back river

05-10-2011 , 04:01 AM

#17

beHypE

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,984

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmac900

rofl this is gold coming from a 3K post user

don't want to sound like a douche but i hope you realise how dumb that quote is, seriously. either he runs like god (lol) and you bet/fold turn or he's a monkey and you bet/call turn (basically never)

or you can just not bet because "lol if he raises i'm beat" (but try to realise in that case you're beat anyways wheter you bet/fold or check behind)

bet turn, check back river, ainec

edit : and fold pf, he runs like god and you'll not win when he calls, lol

05-10-2011 , 04:34 AM

#18

an0nymous

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 611

Whenever this guy posts, I feel like he's trolling after I watched him ranting and 'losing control' when he dropped 12 BI. Also, trapping passive fish and playing for a living makes me feel like's he's trolling.

Hand: Just bet the F turn and chk river.

...