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NL100 UTG/MP tough spot NL100 UTG/MP tough spot

01-12-2015 , 03:54 AM
23/17, 3b 5, WTSD 28, WWSF 40, 6.8k h
Fcbet: 55, 46, 44, Rcbet F: 14, T: 7
River Bet: 26, Fold 57; 3b MP vs UTG 1%.

    $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $100 (100 bb)
    BB: $113.88 (113.9 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $107.48 (107.5 bb)
    MP: $106.08 (106.1 bb)
    CO: $128.93 (128.9 bb)
    BTN: $109.03 (109 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3 3
    Hero raises to $3, MP calls $3, CO calls $3, BTN folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

    Flop: ($13) Q 6 3 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $8.75, MP calls $8.75, 2 folds

    Turn: ($30.50) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $20.87, MP calls $20.87

    River: ($72.24) 9 (2 players)
    Hero ???

    01-12-2015 , 07:31 AM
    I'd fold pre

    Why is river tough? You lose to 66 and QQ. You think he floats BDFD's 4 way?
    01-12-2015 , 07:54 AM
    I think the open is fine given there aren't just regs behind. I guess you're looking for sizing OTR considering that you have effectively pot left. Given the sample size I think there is a very important stat here which is 3b mp v EP, which looks like literally nuts only @ 1%. But if you have reads that this is versus recreational players only and he flats entire range here I think it makes river betting better since he can call with AA/KK sometimes. I'd also look at his call pf2b from MP.
    I think his range OTF is very strong and we can discount a ton of his BDFD's since he has to worry about two behind and his call is going to be fairly honest. In that case if we are taking a HUD read that he doesn't have AA/KK, then we're looking at a few combos of AQ and QQ, I don't see regs flat 66 here much, unless big fish in blinds. CREV those ranges which would include his callpf2b from MP. You could try something like $40/fold river.
    01-12-2015 , 09:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Yoshimiii
    I'd fold pre


    Before I attempt to derail the thread...

    b/f river because villain has lots of Qx that may not fold but due to your perceived range gotta size it small.

    Sent from my VS870 4G
    01-12-2015 , 11:30 AM
    I'd also fold preflop

    bet river but don't shove
    01-12-2015 , 11:42 AM
    How tight is an UTG opening range, then?

    Sent from my VS870 4G
    01-12-2015 , 12:07 PM
    I would open 98s utg before 33. I'm losing money with small PP utg according to my database.
    01-12-2015 , 12:08 PM
    Etleast 98s has barrelling potential.
    01-12-2015 , 01:11 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Yoshimiii
    Etleast 98s has barrelling potential.
    you need to learn how to play your percieved opening range in addition to your actual hand
    01-12-2015 , 02:23 PM
    Please expand on that. Do you suggest to barrel with 2 outers?
    01-12-2015 , 08:39 PM
    Valent1n
    Sorry no offence but this isnt tough or interesting.
    01-13-2015 , 01:55 AM
    QQ+66 = 6 combos
    AQ+KQ+QJ = 36 combos.

    Slam dunk bet for fat value.
    01-13-2015 , 03:15 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr.Position
    Valent1n
    Sorry no offence but this isnt tough or interesting.
    no offence taken,sir!
    01-13-2015 , 04:24 AM
    Very very standard river bet.
    01-13-2015 , 06:26 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrunkMonkey
    you need to learn how to play your percieved opening range in addition to your actual hand
    One of the most misused terms in poker
    01-13-2015 , 07:23 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrunkMonkey
    you need to learn how to play your percieved opening range in addition to your actual hand
    Still waiting for a reply.
    01-16-2015 , 09:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Franchise804
    How tight is an UTG opening range, then?

    Sent from my VS870 4G
    You can open like 15% and still fold 33
    01-16-2015 , 02:04 PM
    Standard river bet. Is the question bet/jam??
    01-16-2015 , 06:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
    Please expand on that. Do you suggest to barrel with 2 outers?
    Yes barreling dry boards as the UTG raiser is pretty effective
    01-16-2015 , 07:52 PM
    Are you barreling every possible bluffs on these dry boards? If not, why are you including small PP's?
    01-16-2015 , 09:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
    Please expand on that. Do you suggest to barrel with 2 outers?
    um, yeah on a ton of textures and most definitely not just with small pairs or with 2 outers

    also, I'm aware it sounds like spew and it feels like spew at first but it's super effective vs the right opponents. I'm not barreling my equity I'm barreling theirs vs what they are likely to think I have
    01-16-2015 , 09:08 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lvr
    One of the most misused terms in poker
    no idea what this means but I'm not misusing it
    01-16-2015 , 09:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrunkMonkey
    it's super effective vs the right opponents.
    Sure, exploitable plays are effective vs the right opponents.
    01-16-2015 , 09:41 PM
    I wouldn't say it's exploitable. It's not like every time I open utg I'm just going ape**** bombs away. if anything it's exploitative of a couple of specific leaks that most regs at 100-200nl have.
    01-16-2015 , 09:53 PM
    The only problem on the river is that for us it's difficult to represent a bluff. The only hand that could have barreled the turn with equity and now be air would be A5s (no spades), otherwise we are trying to tell our opponent that we chose to barrel turn with no equity after getting called in a 4way pot on the flop, a tough sell indeed.

    If your opponent thinks about it, it seems like a pretty easy fold with KQ on the river for him.

    To the people who say it's a an easy valuebet, do you see yourself barreling the turn with JdTd type hands (hands that had good backdoor potential OTF but bricked OTT)?

          
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