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[NL100] Some overbet hands [NL100] Some overbet hands

09-19-2013 , 06:25 AM
1. V is 22/18/8.5 medium aggro

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $86.90 (86.9 bb)
CO: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $164.59 (164.6 bb)
SB: $108.25 (108.3 bb)
BB: $108.50 (108.5 bb)
UTG: $155.80 (155.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K 2
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 2 K Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.10, BB calls $2.10

Turn: ($8.70) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.30, BB raises to $16.50, Hero calls $11.20

River: ($41.70) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $143.99 and is all-in

2. ZOOM nit 18/14

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $113.10 (113.1 bb)
SB: $451.18 (451.2 bb)
BB: $102 (102 bb)
UTG: $100 (100 bb)
MP: $105.21 (105.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $120.41 (120.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 5
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 7 T Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Turn: ($14.50) 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $8.85, MP calls $8.85

River: ($32.20) 3 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $60

3. Random ZOOM fish

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BTN): $102.92 (102.9 bb)
SB: $52.03 (52 bb)
BB: $67.74 (67.7 bb)
UTG: $101.70 (101.7 bb)
MP: $100.50 (100.5 bb)
CO: $43.50 (43.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3 7
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: ($5) J K 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.35, SB calls $2.35

Turn: ($9.70) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.95, SB calls $5.95

River: ($21.60) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $92.62 and is all-in

4. V is 20/16/7.5

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $109.50 (109.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $164.71 (164.7 bb)
BB: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $110.62 (110.6 bb)
MP: $106.80 (106.8 bb)
CO: $102.85 (102.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($5) A 5 T (2 players)
Hero bets $3.29, BB calls $3.29

Turn: ($11.58) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.10, BB calls $7.10

River: ($25.78) 2 (2 players)
[color="red"]Hero bets $50


5. vs 31/19/13

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $54.44 (54.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $125.50 (125.5 bb)
BB: $258.48 (258.5 bb)
UTG: $378.02 (378 bb)
MP: $134.17 (134.2 bb)
CO: $329.70 (329.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 4
4 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($5) 5 2 J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.29, BB calls $3.29

Turn: ($11.58) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.63, BB calls $7.63

River: ($26.84) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $50

6. vs 32/21/14

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BTN): $137.69 (137.7 bb)
SB: $68.11 (68.1 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
UTG: $140.69 (140.7 bb)
MP: $107.87 (107.9 bb)
CO: $50 (50 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 K
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($6) 2 A T (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2.80, SB folds, BB calls $2.80

Turn: ($11.60) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.10, BB calls $7.10

River: ($25.80) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $48

7. vs huge calling station

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $126.83 (126.8 bb)
SB: $118.90 (118.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $116.43 (116.4 bb)
UTG: $185.52 (185.5 bb)
MP: $172.26 (172.3 bb)
CO: $168.79 (168.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
UTG folds, MP calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, MP calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) K Q 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.60, MP calls $5.60

Turn: ($19.70) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.97, MP calls $12.97

River: ($45.64) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $93.86 and is all-in

Someone knows how to in HM2 filters choose overbets? Do you use in your game overbets? How you choose a suitable spots & players? Thanx all!
09-19-2013 , 07:39 AM
overbetting is fine, i apply it alot when people cap their range in certain turn/river situations but you should probably control cbetting/barreling frequency cause based on these hands its either absurdly high or you dont randomize based on equity, which you should.
09-19-2013 , 08:25 AM
every single one of those is a bad spot to overbet with the possible exception of 4
09-19-2013 , 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgybob
every single one of those is a bad spot to overbet with the possible exception of 4
This, apart from 7 is also fine. I'd rather be overbetting flop and turn though in 7 and leaving a good river bet.

Also Apoccd10I post is spot on too. From these selection of hands it just seems your barreling an absurd amount and that, coupled with your want to overbet a lot in a spot where it's hard to balance will mean good villains will just completely own you in these spots.
09-19-2013 , 10:22 AM
Yeah, I think you should think through how you construct your barreling ranges. So many of these hands are just utter spew from my perspective.
Hand 1: What does his turn c/r look like (generally, draws, draws+pair and nutted hands)? What is his range on the river (air, the occasional 7xdd and the incredibly rare monster)? From a balance perspective, the important question is whether we would want to bluff 2x pot vs a range like this. I would think not and as such I wouldnt want to have an overbet range here at all.
Hand 2: I would check flop and POTENTIALLY go 2 streets if checked to again on the 7 pairing, even though I assume it would be too optimistic vs nits that generally don't like folding, especially given the passive line. By the river you are trying to rep TT, and 7x that you should never get to the river with this way. In short, I would check it down most of the time. This is pure spew imo
Hand 3: Such a weird hand to have in your barreling range. But go red-line !!!
Hand 4: Finally you barrel with equity! This one I don't mind that much, but I expect reasonably nitty villain to look you up with Ax some amount of the time, given the FD bricks.
Hand 5: Don't like at all. You are trying to rep 5x? Are you just mindlessly cbetting 5x on the flop everytime here? Cbet is fine and having the plan to barrel turns that improve your equity is obv good as well. This turn shouldnt help your range much at all, and improves villains range slightly. Giving up is okay once in a while.
Hand 6: Probably get a lot of folds from Ax, but I think I you would get that anyways with a normal bet and the risk/reward is just not there for me. Again, incredibly weird hand to barrel off with.
Hand 7: Can't be all that bad.. But rather try and get calls from all his Qx's and worse
09-19-2013 , 11:43 AM
Yeah overbetting is good vs capped ranges and with blockers in hand.
If in hand 7,villain is a big calling station,why don't you bet bigger on F and T and leave a slight overbet for the river,instead of 2x pot?
09-19-2013 , 11:48 AM
Dont like most but I bet your redline is high!
09-19-2013 , 12:38 PM
dizzyphantom Thanx for a great post. I just try something new in my game and your post realy help me construct my range in future.


Quote:
Originally Posted by El Huron123
If in hand 7,villain is a big calling station,why don't you bet bigger on F and T and leave a slight overbet for the river,instead of 2x pot?
drew attention only on the river


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09-19-2013 , 01:05 PM
Over betting is so cool!!
09-19-2013 , 01:58 PM
lol, those overbets look absoluteley random

      
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