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NL100. Set of 5's. Turn decision NL100. Set of 5's. Turn decision

02-18-2011 , 03:17 AM
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em
UTG: $101.50 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.8
Is there a fold on the turn?
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 5 5
UTG raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 4 2 J (2 players)
UTG bets $5.00, Hero raises to $15, UTG calls $10

Turn: ($37.50) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $22.00, UTG raises to $83.50, Hero ?
02-18-2011 , 03:23 AM
Hero stacks off
Not in love with raising this flop, we can pick up from his give-up range later even it has decent equity vs us, 66-TT might even not want to fold flop so don't think raising has tons of merit, AK/Q might also peel some percentage of the time

What do you do on 3d on turn btw? Curious.
02-18-2011 , 03:33 AM
Flop raise is bad imo, you have little to no equity if called, much better to do that with KQ or something. As played, you've put 35 or 40% or your stack in there, I think you have to call, even though he's showing up with a flush the majority of the time.
02-18-2011 , 05:16 AM
Chk back the turn. When he flats the flop he usually has a flush draw or AJ/QQ+ waiting for a safe turn to get it in. The flush draw got there and his made hands are folding on this turn so chk back the turn and hope to boat up on the river. Once we check back the turn we might get a street of value on the river from his made hands. It sucks if the 4 flush hits but we don't want to get c/r on this turn.
02-18-2011 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Trickst3r
Chk back the turn. When he flats the flop he usually has a flush draw or AJ/QQ+ waiting for a safe turn to get it in. The flush draw got there and his made hands are folding on this turn so chk back the turn and hope to boat up on the river. Once we check back the turn we might get a street of value on the river from his made hands. It sucks if the 4 flush hits but we don't want to get c/r on this turn.
isnt it giving free card for all overpair + heart combo hands?
02-18-2011 , 11:02 AM
Pretty random spot. U c/r flop air and hit your set on turn.
WTF ship it and pray
02-18-2011 , 12:30 PM
Don't raise flop, turn is easy call.
02-18-2011 , 01:33 PM
He probably has a flush (I doubt it's KQs/AQs/AKs as he prob stacks off on flop), but given basic stats its a pretty easy call. You can still improve on the river and he's going to show up with enough semibluffs, nonsense and oddly played or stubborn value hands that you have crushed, that you're still ahead a good percentage of the time.

Regarding the flop raise, disagree completely with most of the posters ITT if Villain is a standard reg. IP, you should be able to push the villain off his overs and middle pairs (on turn with these hands) and if you flat, villain can hit overs or barrell you off a lot of hands you have beat. I only dislike the raise if villain has a very tight UTG opening range, is a one and done c-bettor or you have absolutely no plan for the turn. If villain doesn't fit either description above, raise is fine if you intend to barrell any over/5/heart on turn.
02-18-2011 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDay
Regarding the flop raise, disagree completely with most of the posters ITT if Villain is a standard reg. IP, you should be able to push the villain off his overs and middle pairs (on turn with these hands) and if you flat, villain can hit overs or barrell you off a lot of hands you have beat. I only dislike the raise if villain has a very tight UTG opening range, is a one and done c-bettor or you have absolutely no plan for the turn. If villain doesn't fit either description above, raise is fine if you intend to barrell any over/5/heart on turn.
That is OK in theory, however we don't rep many hands on this very dry board. Our range is sets, air and flushdraws.
Sets our best value line here is probably to just call the majority of the time and let him barrel or pick up a hand, since he needs a big hand to stack off, when we actually have that hand
Flushdraws are kind of silly to raise for the same reason as it looks like we can't have much, raise-get it in is like kind of a stupid play since we're always underdog to his get it in range

So we rep a ton of air this is just such a bad board to bluff IMO, nl100 people don't like folding.

That's my experience with it at least. Overs are a lot more like a blank against a reg, bc what are we gonna rep on a QKA, that we raised the flop with a marginal 1 pair to an UTG raiser?
Less good barrel cards in this spot imo and they (overs) are much more likely to hit his range than ours

I think plays have merits and that raising here doesn't have to be bad (I don't claim to know), I just think it's not as good. Higher midpairs we can get him off of later by flatting and getting a better perception of his range, since our non-float flatting range includes a ton of Jx
02-18-2011 , 05:24 PM
if this is headsup there is no way i am folding.
02-18-2011 , 06:33 PM
call. not really any need to explain.
dont raise flop also
02-19-2011 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fanapathy
That is OK in theory, however we don't rep many hands on this very dry board. Our range is sets, air and flushdraws.
Sets our best value line here is probably to just call the majority of the time and let him barrel or pick up a hand, since he needs a big hand to stack off, when we actually have that hand
Flushdraws are kind of silly to raise for the same reason as it looks like we can't have much, raise-get it in is like kind of a stupid play since we're always underdog to his get it in range

So we rep a ton of air this is just such a bad board to bluff IMO, nl100 people don't like folding.

That's my experience with it at least. Overs are a lot more like a blank against a reg, bc what are we gonna rep on a QKA, that we raised the flop with a marginal 1 pair to an UTG raiser?
Less good barrel cards in this spot imo and they (overs) are much more likely to hit his range than ours

I think plays have merits and that raising here doesn't have to be bad (I don't claim to know), I just think it's not as good. Higher midpairs we can get him off of later by flatting and getting a better perception of his range, since our non-float flatting range includes a ton of Jx
Certainly a more high variance play, but like I said, vs. a standard reg at these stakes, I'm fairly certain it's a winning one. Most villains are playing too many tables to be thinking at this level and " Our range is sets, air and flushdraws." is fine if you're willing to continue the story on the turn. Not to mention the value of a disguised monsters when we bluff-catch is pretty profitable (except when we cooler like this thread). Reverse implied odds are just horrendous when we flat, unless the villain is a ****** reg or a passive fish.
02-19-2011 , 02:39 AM
And disagree somewhat, QQ/AJ/KJs are possibly in our range depending on table dynamics.
02-19-2011 , 03:30 AM
Yeah man, 55 is not a hand I would bluff raise with here. Call>Raise.

As played I think you need to call- you need 30% here, have 22% vs a flush, but if he ever has anything else it's an easy call. We can't limit him to just flushes here.
02-19-2011 , 04:05 AM
If there's one hand you should never raise this flop with it's 55. It just makes very little sense. The turn bet is thin at best.

      
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