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nl100 rush - facing turn overbet 200bb

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09-03-2010 , 06:59 PM

muttiah

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Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 25,150

VIllain was unknown, 1 tabling rush. fishy sounding SN.

Wtf does this turn bet mean? THis is so rare and bizarre. I just kept calling because I couldn't put him on a hand. Do you fold turn?

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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($201)
BB ($435)
UTG ($103)
UTG+1 ($201)
CO ($100)
BTN ($270)

Dealt to Hero J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

FLOP ($6) T

Hero bets $4, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $11

TURN ($36) T

Hero checks, BB bets $60, Hero calls $60

RIVER ($156) T

Hero checks, BB bets $80, Hero calls $80

09-04-2010 , 07:06 PM

muttiah

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 25,150

Thought this was interesting. do you guys for sure know what to do here?

09-04-2010 , 08:57 PM

HugeDeuce

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 178

this is 55,33,TT+ so much of the time.‎
easy fold to the turn bet imo.

09-04-2010 , 09:14 PM

RV-

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 412

I'd fold as well... Not sure what else to say to be honest. Don't have a lot of overbetting experience

09-04-2010 , 09:40 PM

Klankster

adept

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 718

That turn overbet is pretty safe to assume as the nuts until you've seen him pull this with worse. Fold and it's not close without reads.

09-04-2010 , 10:06 PM

muttiah

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 25,150

i've seen this move 1 time in last 50k hands. how are you guys so sure?

09-04-2010 , 11:44 PM

The Velour Fog

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,627

yeah, I think this is closer than previous posters think. donks dont overbet their value-hands like that on the turn imo. some donks do overbet their bluffs randomly though, so calling down cant be all that bad.

if you dont like variance just fold turn until you have more information on the guy

09-05-2010 , 01:12 AM

Snipe

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,229

I'm def folding turn, but if somehow I call - I'm calling river.

09-05-2010 , 01:49 AM

321FoldIt

adept

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 992

I've seen this spot several times and I remember it was nutlike hands more often than a draw or like toppair - almost always better than a JJ here.

09-05-2010 , 02:11 AM

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Slayer

adept

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,157

yeah obv it's villain specific, and perhaps he's some rare breed of donk that does this w/ air b/c he feels like it, but I've never seen a fish do this with air. And I HAVE seen them do it with "nutted" hands. I put that in parenthesis since to a fish "nuts" aren't necessarily the same as they are to us. I'm def folding turn w/out a read that he's just a major aggro spazz.

09-05-2010 , 02:37 AM

#11

muttiah

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I agree it's never abluff. but AT/KT or something is definitely possible imo. The donks are not thinking beyond "I has top pair" sometimes. BTW he had AT.

09-05-2010 , 02:43 AM

#12

Kalledrengen

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,919

Well if he did bluff-raise flop he can't expect you to fold this turn so he may have seen his options as either checking giving up or trying to be creative and overbetting.

Could be A2s/A4s or perhaps an overplayed AT or slowplayed QQ+.

I do tend to give people credit first time they make some crazy plays.

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