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[NL100] QQ gross turn OOP

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07-28-2008 , 02:52 AM

silly_monkey

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 596

Villain is 21/8/2.1 over 300 hands, but I don't recall anything in particular about him. Maybe data mined.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $89.15
UTG: $161.80
Hero (MP): $115.35
CO: $71.95
BTN: $105.05
SB: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with Q

UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.50) 6

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13.50, BTN calls $13.50, BB folds

Turn: ($40.50) 9

(2 players)
Hero?

07-28-2008 , 03:01 AM

Norvich

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 116

i would b/f

07-28-2008 , 03:16 AM

pierc21

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 54

I think you got a bet fold here. Check folding is too weak and a check call leaves you clueless to where you stand. Stay aggressive and fire out another bet.

07-28-2008 , 05:18 AM

Heineken23

journeyman

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 223

I normally just check fold here. Maybe that too weak i dont know. Im thinking the turn has helped so much of his range that he's peeling this flop with.

07-28-2008 , 06:29 AM

Greco

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,564

I had a hand almost identical to this last night and I opted to bet/fold it. If he calls MAYBE you can c/c river but I think betting the turn is good as he will almost never raise as a bluff and the info is pretty clean.

BTW, betting pot on flop is something I'm not sure about... looks a bit weak, I know it's drawy etc but 12 does the same, betting pot to me looks a bit like whiffed overs making a stab and I could call and take way on turn...(?)

Last edited by Greco; 07-28-2008 at 06:29 AM. Reason: spelling...

07-28-2008 , 06:31 AM

sence25

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,676

Bet fold seems to be the best but it's really close between c/f and b/f because the river is yet to come, which brings me to the question, what's our plan on a bricked river?
I mean there's not even much worse he can call with on the turn, very lame spot.

07-28-2008 , 08:35 AM

skizomick

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 16

c/r AI - this way you get value from hands we beat as well as bluff.

The only plausible hand he can have that us beat is 99.

QQ+ are mostly reraised pre, and they surely raising on that flop. AdKd (-Xd) and 88 will (should) raise flop as well as all sets. I don't se anythin hitting the flop hard without rasing heavily beacuse of the texture. 8d9d is blocked by the turn, which would be the only hand that might reasonably slowplay (not a good idea anyway though imo).

07-28-2008 , 08:40 AM

kolotoure

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skizomick

There a lot of hands that beat us and I wouldn't assume an unknown raises 88 on the flop. This guy is pretty passive pf so chances are he won't raise 88 on this flop

07-28-2008 , 08:56 AM

skizomick

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 16

What have us beat on this board - besides maybe a passively played 88 - that will not raise the flop?

07-28-2008 , 09:07 AM

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kolotoure

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88,78,A8,68,99 and some other stuff

07-28-2008 , 09:37 AM

#11

skizomick

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looks like we disagree on how those 8X combinations are played by villain. I will maintain though that his aggression level is not that low - A respectable 2. Not a laggro but definitely not a passive player either.

Pair + OESD is a mandatory raise for most people with even a remotely understanding of poker and this guy shows no aggression at all. The story doesn't fit in my eyes to a (X combination.

07-28-2008 , 09:59 AM

#12

Sugar Nut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skizomick

c/r AI - this way you get value from hands we beat as well as bluff.

The only plausible hand he can have that us beat is 99.

QQ+ are mostly reraised pre, and they surely raising on that flop. AdKd (-Xd) and 88 will (should) raise flop as well as all sets. I don't se anythin hitting the flop hard without rasing heavily beacuse of the texture. 8d9d is blocked by the turn, which would be the only hand that might reasonably slowplay (not a good idea anyway though imo).

wat

07-28-2008 , 10:12 AM

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Greco

old hand

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he could have a myriad of two pair hands here, as well as straights and sets. This is a board that if we c/r AI on and get called, we are crushed.

07-28-2008 , 10:54 AM

#14

muttiah

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Check/fold. OMG at the advice in this thread. crai is lol bad unless you are doing it as a bluff. Only reason to bet is so you're gonna 3-barrel bluff river to get him off two pair/straight/sets

07-28-2008 , 12:35 PM

#15

silly_monkey

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Isura

Check/fold. OMG at the advice in this thread. crai is lol bad unless you are doing it as a bluff. Only reason to bet is so you're gonna 3-barrel bluff river to get him off two pair/straight/sets

Thanks Isura... I was basically wondering if it was even worth b/f the turn, which is what I did, but I thought it might be a straight c/f.

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