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07-14-2008 , 07:17 PM
SB ($294.50) 22/16/2,2
BB ($142.85)
Hero ($100)
MP ($95)
CO ($95)
Button ($125.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q.
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, Button calls $4, SB raises to $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $14, Button folds.

Flop: ($41) K, T, J (2 players)
SB bets $26, Hero raises to $82 (All-In)
07-14-2008 , 08:23 PM
No better hands are foldig so raising is rellay bad. Just call and hope that you hit your draw or that he checks so you that you can check behind.

edit: Actually I don't think folding is that bad either. This board hit his valueraising range very good so often you are just drawing to 8 outs (he mig even have some of them) without any guarantee of getting his whole stack.

Last edited by Oct0puz; 07-14-2008 at 08:30 PM.
07-14-2008 , 08:29 PM
i 4bet pre this like everytime. This flops really sucks we beat nothing but AA or rarely 99/AJ. And it's not likely we get paid off if we hit + he has redraws.

I think it's ok to fold flop, cause we see a free rivercard like never.

Board: Kh Js Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.287% 21.11% 03.17% 45150 6786.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 75.713% 72.54% 03.17% 155118 6786.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }


And if his range is wider, our equity won't grow, since KQ/KJ/JT type of hands have us crushed, but we have crushed only a few hands like AJ/QJ.
07-14-2008 , 09:58 PM
Depending on what type of player your up against, a reraise may have been in order pre for two reasons. 1) You may take down the pot right here. 2) He reraises, you know where you stand...he calls, you play the flop hard (as you represented AA KK preflop with the 4bet).
07-14-2008 , 10:38 PM
Flop shove is fine, but please do not be scared to 4bet pf again.
07-14-2008 , 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by I rebluff you
Flop shove is fine, but please do not be scared to 4bet pf again.
Flop shove is terrible imo. You beat nothing. Fold equity seems fairly non existant. Remember, SB just 3 bet a UTG raiser. The Pokerstove stats look exactly correct. I could easily fold here. Calling seems marginal, but i would guess its probably -ev.
07-14-2008 , 11:12 PM
Flop call>fold~shove
07-14-2008 , 11:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by holland3r
Flop call>fold~shove
We're getting ~1:2.5 pot odds and ~1:4 odds for our draw, he will shove turn like 70-80%, we have to fold unimproved, if our draw hit, he even might c/f.

Why is calling best?

      
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