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01-22-2014 , 07:20 PM
€0.50/€1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG (€114.75) 115bb
UTG+1 (€104.95) 105bb
Hero (CO) (€305.11) 305bb
BTN (€114.45) 114bb
SB (€194.86) 195bb
BB (€40) 40bb

SB
24/19, 6.6kh
3bet 8, sq 4.5
Cbet flop in 3bpot 48
agr (1.6,2.8,2.7), afq (32,36,33)
wtsd,w$sd,wwsf = (30,56,52)

BTN
24/19, 700h
3bet 5
Fold to 3bet 48

Pre-Flop: (€1.50, 6 players) Hero is CO Q A
2 folds, Hero raises to €3, BTN calls €3, SB raises to €12, 1 fold, Hero calls €9, BTN folds

Flop: 2 2 J (€27.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: Q (€27.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: A (€27.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets €21, SB raises to €84, Hero folds

Final Pot: €132.50
01-22-2014 , 07:44 PM
Well this is stupid.

Folding seems incredibly exploitable. Can we even have better than this after we check flop + turn IP? I just unhappily station this I think.
01-22-2014 , 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VantACoo-key?
Well this is stupid.

Folding seems incredibly exploitable. Can we even have better than this after we check flop + turn IP? I just unhappily station this I think.
But his strong range from preflop + on this river he doesnt have air. Will he turn into bluff something like AJ? Probably not.

There can easily be all sets: JJ,QQ,AA
01-22-2014 , 09:57 PM
He definitely doesn't have AA or QQ. JJ is possible, but unlikely given I would expect most people to lead turn.

Really don't think I'm folding. Weird spot though.
01-22-2014 , 11:08 PM
bet turn, call river as played.
01-23-2014 , 01:27 AM
i think ip u should lead this turn around 15-18 as i think this is a clear value bet on the turn after the 3 bettor checked twice oop. it is a good spot for you to bet the turn with all your range specifically all your boardway cards that have gs + maybe pair outs, plus i think you should bet all your complete air and start to turn pp into bluffs now on the turn with position. It is in my opinion highly unlikely that villian is slow playing jj, u also block qq combo.

as played i would snap river as that these stakes it seems logical that the hand i would expect most to see would be aj by villian.

At worst call and take a note as either way its an extremley weird line by villian in 3 bet pot
01-23-2014 , 02:21 AM
I'm baffled by your turn check. If I'm in villain's shoes with air or a weak J I'm taking this line quite frequently. You have so many hands in your range that will bet/fold the river, and AQ is close to the top of your range. Villain has very low aggression stats, but I think that if you think he's ever capable of finding spots on rivers to check-raise bluff, this has to be one of those spots.

Also, it's worth noting that people often play different in 3bet pots. There's no way villain is playing 9% 3bet profitably with such low aggression stats.
01-23-2014 , 02:20 PM
call and lose to JJ but yeh, this is never a fold
01-23-2014 , 02:29 PM
good fold he s never bluffing there looks like he floped a full house or later
01-23-2014 , 02:30 PM
This makes no sense. There's no reason why he should expect us to bet the river after action so far, so there's no reason why he should feel good about going for a value c/r here.

I'm snap calling this and feeling pretty decent about it.
01-23-2014 , 03:53 PM
Guys, but his size is sooooo awful.
What kind of hands can he have if bluffing?

He would rather bet himself river if he is empty. Rather than bluffing putting soooo much money in pot.
01-23-2014 , 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffey24
This makes no sense. There's no reason why he should expect us to bet the river after action so far, so there's no reason why he should feel good about going for a value c/r here.

I'm snap calling this and feeling pretty decent about it.
+1
01-24-2014 , 03:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by killi
Guys, but his size is sooooo awful.
What kind of hands can he have if bluffing?

He would rather bet himself river if he is empty. Rather than bluffing putting soooo much money in pot.
This is a pretty bad spot to bet as a bluff in villains shoes. There would only be two reasons to lead the river as a bluff; either he puts you on some type of mid pocket pair or he thinks you checked back a J or Q that will fold to a river bet. There aren't enough pocket pairs in your range, and you're likely playing way too weak/tight if he thinks the latter. On the other hand, it's a great spot for villain to bluff check-raise with the right image. You almost never have a hand that can call a raise here, but quite a few that will bet for thin value and maybe a handful that you bluff with.
01-24-2014 , 07:59 AM
after you check turn river is a call. top of your range and you block the nuts.
01-24-2014 , 08:04 AM
snap calling
01-24-2014 , 09:18 AM
I don't know how you fold here. We must be playing different games or something.
01-24-2014 , 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffey24
This makes no sense. There's no reason why he should expect us to bet the river after action so far, so there's no reason why he should feel good about going for a value c/r here.

I'm snap calling this and feeling pretty decent about it.
a bunch of Ax hands x/backing all streets?
01-27-2014 , 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tobe4funas
a bunch of Ax hands x/backing all streets?
Sure but we also have tons of mid pairs which are probably checking back river.

Most of our Ax combos will be AJ (betting flop) and AQ (betting turn - from villains perspective). Half of the remaining Ax combos will be Axdd/Axhh - betting flop and turn respectively often.

Of the Axss/Axcc that are left, we may bluff some on flop or turn? So we're not left with that many Ax combos, and including the mid pairs that do play this way, they don't represent a very big % of our range (such that ppl would go for a c/r?).

Also IF villain is going for a value c/r against weak Ax hands here (if that's the logic), then he could/should also be doing it with AK.
01-27-2014 , 04:46 PM
Villian's likely pre-flop range is {TT+,AQs+,AKo}

You should call here based on action on various streets.

Villian's play makes most sense for AK.
01-27-2014 , 05:42 PM
Villain probably has 99/TT board ran out bad but he figured it was a bad river to bluff at and still had some SD value. Once you bet tho he knows your range is capped and that TT is not good enough often so decides to c/r bluff it.
01-27-2014 , 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
Villain probably has 99/TT board ran out bad but he figured it was a bad river to bluff at and still had some SD value. Once you bet tho he knows your range is capped and that TT is not good enough often so decides to c/r bluff it.
+1 to this, wouldn't be surprised to see something like Jxs with a marginal kicker either.

Either way, we only need to be good here 32%, and the fact that he can be value towning with AK, on top of these other bluffs makes this an easy call imo.
01-27-2014 , 06:05 PM
Would expect to see either TT,AT or JJ like 100% of the time. Snap call obv.
01-27-2014 , 07:30 PM
I mean you're probably at the top of your range when you take this line. But he has dat JJ.
01-27-2014 , 11:01 PM
Bet turn and don't bet 21bbs on the river zzzz

As played I ,mean whatever I don't wanna say you have to call cos your range is already ****ed I'd be surprised if anyone ever bluffs tho
01-28-2014 , 07:30 AM
Shove

      
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