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NL100 microgaming. Line check and river spot NL100 microgaming. Line check and river spot

10-15-2010 , 08:42 PM
Villain is on a few of my tables so I'm pretty sure their a reg but I have no meaningful stats at this point.

€0.50/€1 No Limit Holdem
Prima
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG rob5495 (€130.26)
CO raisedave (€100)
BTN Hook-73 (€73.15)
SB Hero (€100.50)
BB Onkowronko (€100)

Pre-Flop: (€1.50, 5 players) Hero is SB J 10
3 folds, Hero raises to €3.50, Onkowronko calls €2.50

Flop: 2 J 7 (€7, 2 players)
Hero bets €4, Onkowronko raises to €11, Hero calls €7

Turn: K (€29, 2 players)
Hero checks, Onkowronko bets €18, Hero calls €18

River: 3 (€65, 2 players)
Hero checks, Onkowronko bets €37, Hero??

How's my line on flop and turn?

Seems like villain's range is polarized on the river and I think call is best.
10-15-2010 , 08:54 PM
fold
10-16-2010 , 05:30 PM
Is my line okay on flop and turn, iyo?
10-16-2010 , 11:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sufur
Is my line okay on flop and turn, iyo?
Assuming the hand is the same, on the turn, I will check IP (in position) and bet again OOP. In this hand, you are at OOP, so you might bet again on the turn.
10-17-2010 , 09:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylife0115
Assuming the hand is the same, on the turn, I will check IP (in position) and bet again OOP. In this hand, you are at OOP, so you might bet again on the turn.
I wasn't sure about bet/call turn but thought it might be better. Thanks.
10-17-2010 , 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylife0115
Assuming the hand is the same, on the turn, I will check IP (in position) and bet again OOP. In this hand, you are at OOP, so you might bet again on the turn.
+1. One of the reasons it's better to bet OOP is exactly because this kind of stuff happens and it makes the hand harder to play.
He shouldn't really have any Kx in his range except for KJ and maybe K7s. You can also still get value from 7x/88-TT and sometimes even 33-66 when they marry their hand. Since it's a good spot to bluff, it's also a good spot to value bet thin.
10-17-2010 , 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylife0115
Assuming the hand is the same, on the turn, I will check IP (in position) and bet again OOP. In this hand, you are at OOP, so you might bet again on the turn.
Why do you want to give villain a chance to raise you off your hand when you have a ****load of equity?
10-17-2010 , 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCM
Why do you want to give villain a chance to raise you off your hand when you have a ****load of equity?
In position, you check, so there is no chance to raise you.

Your comment is for OOP, this is how I play and what my think is:

1) You would call a turn bet any way, by betting on the turn will elimiate his chance to bluff with weak or nothing on the turn, also elimiate his chance to make big bluff on the river.
2) When you bet on the turn, he would fold nothing or weak hands and call with top pair or so hand
3) not offten but you will be raised when he has a strong hand like a set but you still have the flush draw to be your backup.

Of course, you will need to mix it up (i check 30% and bet 70%) and look into your opp's stats to make adjustments as well.

I could be wrong and hopefully some one can help to point out a better approach here.
10-17-2010 , 10:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylife0115
1) You would call a turn bet any way, by betting on the turn will elimiate his chance to bluff with weak or nothing on the turn, also elimiate his chance to make big bluff on the river.
2) When you bet on the turn, he would fold nothing or weak hands and call with top pair or so hand
Don't we want him to continue with his bluffs/weak hands and not fold them?
10-17-2010 , 10:06 PM
what do people think about raise folding the flop?
10-17-2010 , 10:08 PM
yeah I'm not sure why we're trying to eliminate his bluffs and only get calls from solid hands here.

That river is really close - but that river bet really smells like a 2pr+ value bet. That being said, I'm not sure I'm good enough to fold river.
10-17-2010 , 10:49 PM
villains failure to get stacks in is super suspect
10-18-2010 , 01:08 AM
I dunno, we have no history and, I could be wrong, but I don't expect the average micro reg to go for really thin value on the river. I assume villain checks back all their marginal holdings and that the bet is a big hand or air. I think this may be reason enough to call but on top of that, villain will probably size larger with the nuts, so I called.

Seems to still be some discussion so I'll wait on results.

edit. Is the bet turn camp calling a raise?
10-18-2010 , 01:55 AM
flop/turn good, now fold
I prefer flop fold if he has a low raise cb stat over decent sample
10-18-2010 , 04:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylife0115
Assuming the hand is the same, on the turn, I will check IP (in position) and bet again OOP. In this hand, you are at OOP, so you might bet again on the turn.
Do we bet all turn cards or do we give up on any card?
10-18-2010 , 07:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramdon
flop/turn good, now fold
I prefer flop fold if he has a low raise cb stat over decent sample
I mentioned in op I had no meaningful stats, probably <20 hands. Is a raise cbet stat very relevant bvb? I'm still not very familiar with pokertracker, maybe you can filter for when you're in the sb vs a particular villain in the bb.
10-18-2010 , 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by qawsed
Do we bet all turn cards or do we give up on any card?
what i said is assuming the card is the same, that means: on the turn he has a middle pair plus flush draw, he should bet when out of position and check if he is in position. If you check OOP, then you would call any way (a pair with flush draw but induce river big bluff, and just like OP now ended up not show he should call or fold on the river).
10-18-2010 , 02:31 PM
I'd fold river. It looks like you have Jx at least and his sizing looks like he's trying to get paid off, not bluff
10-18-2010 , 03:02 PM
Those who advocate betting turn - what worse hands are you expecting him to call with?
10-18-2010 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nobrainier
Those who advocate betting turn - what worse hands are you expecting him to call with?
all manner of 7s, J9/J8, some gutters, some smaller pps
10-18-2010 , 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riverfish1
all manner of 7s, J9/J8, some gutters, some smaller pps
Seems unlikely he took this line with those hands.
10-18-2010 , 11:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by be_happy
what do people think about raise folding the flop?
Raise/folding flop isn't terrible as villain could spaz out with 7x or pp 66 -10 as its BvB but if the raise is called we're likely way behind and we want villain to continue with worse PPs floats and semi-bluffs so b/c >> b/r
10-19-2010 , 12:25 AM
I don't get raising the flop and I really don't think leading turn is optimal, maybe easier to play but not optimal. I'd be interested in hearing more reasoning for raising the turn and maybe someone with a good counter-argument to raising the turn. You know, something beyond, "I really don't think leading the turn is optimal, maybe easier to play but not optimal"

      
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