Given stacks, i don't know how much i like my turn bet b/c i think i need to fold given a shove, but then again i don't want to give up on hand. There's definitely some argument for crai on this turn which as of now i think is the best line, what do you all think?

Villains an unknown, running like 30/5 or something, seems weak/tight


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $48.50
SB: $96.70
BB: $103.00
Hero (UTG): $207.15
MP: $101.50
CO: $129.95

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with K J
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 5 6 T (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($18.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $12.50, BTN


Thanks =)

b/f is fine

b/c? looks like a math question

What percent of the time do you really think you are raised here by a passive fish?

It's only going to occur like 5% of the time, so you don't need to change your entire hand based on that.

A bet has fold equity against 22/33/44/55/6x/77/88/99 and his A-high hands which makes it profitable to bet. He also might min-raise which gives you sick odds to bust his 2pr+ the rare times he does raise you.

A c/r sux cuz then you have put too much in and have to fold to a raise or make a mistake and not fold to his 3bet. Also if he doesnt fold enough when you c/r and ur fkd on the river if u miss.

I like this line. If you plan to bet/call bet a little bigger on turn. Which i think you should probally do here.

bet call

"A c/r sux cuz then you have put too much in and have to fold to a raise" what? do you mean, fold to a big bet .....? im lost. the purpose would be to check/raise

if i check the turn, i'd be ch/r everything = / < a 1/2pot bet, i'd probably ch/fold to a bigger bet though. look at stacks, incorporate fold equity vs his turn betting range....

I like a big bet here to max fold equity ($15+) and call a push. Honestly, your bet size is the worst of both worlds here, b/c whether to b/f or b/c becomes very grey. I like a small bet if your going to fold, but I think a big bet/call is a much better option. He's going to have a hell of a time continuing with 77-99. And he'll shove like 87 a small % here too, b/c fish don't want to fold draws.

he is never bet folding so check raising isn't good. just double barrel big on flop and turn and if he shoves do some calculations

yeah extremely good point.

but i feel like theres also merit to analyzing villain type and his range on the turn here. i was probably thinking more so along the lines of "what's the least i can bet to show strength on this double barrel combined with i don't want my bet to seem so week where he might peel a turn barrel since i've been double barreling frequently in most pots at this table

thanks for the responses guys

i tried explaining this in my previous post, i apologize if it wasn't clear when i mentioned his bet sizing. I had assumed if he would be stabbing this turn with most of the range i would try to be folding on the turn, and that bet would generally be 1/2 pot or <, then again i could be completely wrong, and it may be vice versa, oh well.


Yeah, probably best line, had i known a Q would fall on the turn =)
I was thinking my cb on the flop was smaller b/c that was the highest i thought i had to risk to get a bad player to fold here ?

If he shoves this turn, you only have about 40% of the effective stack in and you have to fold. You need to have at least 60% in on the turn to be able to call off, which would make your turn bet requirement an overbet of 4 or 5$.

The fix is tricky because you don't really have any way of knowing you will have an oesd on the turn, so you don't really know that you need to be betting 7 on the flop so that you can bet 19 or 20 on the turn and call off.

I think this is what better players than me mean when they say "plan your hand".

yeah flop sizing is fine sorry.

when he calls the flop he either has a draw or a pair. or... ace high. ace high is the only thing he MIGHT fold to a check raise, but it's probably not the majority of his range, and if he would fold them, then he would probably fold to a big turn bet

what about 22,33,44,77,88,99,5x,6x,Ax,Kx their definitely folding the turn there i think to a ch/r and i'm just trapping even more equity. and im barreling river after this turn bet if i hit/miss so just include that in fe.

- now that i think about what you said earlier, vs this unknown with this stack, blending ranges doesn't matter for ****. i think potting flop is essential b/c i'm double barrel happy and think almost every card would help my fe =)

thanks again everyone

fish with 50bb generally don't fold pairs, i wouldn't be surprised to see someone call with all of those aside from Ax Kx

really don't like potting flop, its better to bet smaller like you said. i like betting 16 on the turn though

hmm, interesting thanks.

after thinking about this for a few, i actually really like this. now my question is to you. look at stack sizes, if you pot turn, whats your action given:

1.) River A
2.) River 9
3.) River K/J
4.) anything else.

i play it the same. i shove A K 9 rivers obviously. plz dont check those.

J i dont know what i do i make a decision