PFR is a weaker reg with kinda high fold to 3bet%

Villain is a breakeven 21/18 with 8% 3bet over huge sample. 75% flop & 50% turn cbet in 3bet pots, kinda aggro overall (4/2/2 by streets) and we play a lot together.

Got a ton of notes on him, but they're not relevant here.

I play 23/18, I coldcall very rarely here, so it should be hard for him to put me on a hand.

I decided to coldcall pre because I think he's light often against the weaker reg and thus I think it's higher EV than just cold4betting and kinda wasting a huge hand most of the time.

I was very pleased to see him him check OTR, but can't help myself but to think it was pretty weak of him especially as he has the Kh.

What do you think?


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($187)
Hero ($250)
CO ($44.56)
BTN ($116)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, BTN raises to $2, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $7, fold

FLOP ($18) 9 4 Q

SB bets $12, Hero calls $12

TURN ($42) 9 4 Q 6

SB bets $28, Hero calls $28

RIVER ($98) 9 4 Q 6 A

SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows K J
(Pre 9%, Flop 20.6%, Turn 27.3%)

Hero shows K K
(Pre 91%, Flop 79.4%, Turn 72.7%)

Hero wins $95.50

Hard one really, he has to know you're not cold calling with KQ, QJ, Q10, K10 etc and most likely not 44 or 99 but I suppose they're possible? When you call the flop, you could easily do that with TT, JJ, J10hh, AQ, QQ & KK, AhKx, AKhh imo. Second barrell is again the same imo but he's now guessing as you said it's very rare you do this. The As is probably the best card that could have came for him though as you'll now fold JJ, 1010, maybe KK but at the same time, he can't get you off QQ, AQ and a flush. I think he played it fine himself also though, as I'd also 2 barrell and re-evaluate on the river.

Let me know what you reckon ^

I woulda c/fed flop as SB, is that bad?

^
no, thats why I dont like the flat pre in general. Nirwandas range is fairly strong here and not really speculative at all. He would rarely flat a hand like JTs or 67s here (even this deep), so as vill I would assume his range to be something like TT-AA,AK,AQ,AJs,KQs. Against this range I would c/f as vill tbh.

c/f is certainly not bad in vills shoes, however since he barrels a fair bit against me it was kind of an exploplay pre on my part

I would bet all day long

Umm what, narrower range = easier to hand read no? If you aren't cold calling wide here then cold4betting pre is definitely the better option, regs cold call all the time with AA/KK/QQ and maybe JJ, you're hand range looks super strong, and once you call the flop and turn he is just going to give up with his air because it looks like there's no way you are folding riv after calling turn. 4bet pre and hope he spews or has a hand he wants to get it in with.

played fine by both

Id ship in his shoes for sure
And hero's range in no way is ever capped here (only weighted a bit towards better hands given preflop action, but that's bout it, saying that 190bb deep Hero cant have hands like JTs is silly)

Your flatting range 88+, JTs+ Aqs & Aks? Would probably cold 4bet AKo

Vs that range he should ether c/f flop or set up a river shove imo. If he bets the river being a 2s all in KQ or AQ are pretty much a fold. Since the A is one of the best cards for him against your range it is a mandatory river bet

dude, you rarely have a checkign range anyways, as i learnt

Imo your perceived range is pretty AQ-heavy and he has blockers to KQ and JJ. He might expect you to herocall Qx on a river ace too.

Nirwanda, having seen this hand go down, what's the weakest hand you'd call a river shove with in the same spot?

meh /edit / got messy

I agree i dont think its bad in villians shoes to c/f this flop sum % of the time.
with the line villian took i belive he should have shoved river.The ace is the perfect card. + as you said nirwanda he has the king of hearts.

Am curious to hear wat the weakest hand to is that you would have called a river shove with

In regards to him having a hard time putting you on a hand, I'm pretty sure he expects you to have 88-JJ, AQ in this spot so if that is somewhat correct for your 3b cold calling range then it's not hard for him at all.

Also, I don't really like the cold call pre because
1) I expect you're 4b bluffing here quite often
2) Your perceived range is wider when you 4b (it's unlikely he will expect you to cold call suited connectors, etc)
3) We're deep and he will probably call a 4b fairly wide