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nl100 AQ 3bpot TPGK, deepstacked! nl100 AQ 3bpot TPGK, deepstacked!

05-26-2012 , 05:36 AM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em $0.20 Ante - 6 players -


UTG: $161.95
Hero (MP): $223.34
CO: $110.78
BTN: $291.98
SB: $250.00
BB: $587.76

Pre Flop: ($2.70) Hero is MP with A Q
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $4, SB calls $3.50, BB raises to $25, 1 fold, Hero calls $21, BTN calls $21, SB calls $21

Flop: ($102.20) 4 T A (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $54.67, Hero ..

BB is 25/19 reg, 3bet from BB 11%, squeeze 8% (overall), Fcbet in 3bpot 60%, 5k hands. no relevant reads at this point.

Since his range pre is so wide, preflop call seems to be standard IP vs him (even OOP right?). I havent played too much deepstack tables, thats why im a bit lost here.
Fwiw, BTN and SB were standard regs over few hundred hands.
05-26-2012 , 11:06 AM
no one ?
05-26-2012 , 04:05 PM
I'd fold preflop or 4bet. I don't wanna just flat that 3bet preflop because of players behind us, I'd expect them to start group calling the squeeze and AQo is not that great when you are up against a bunch of players.
05-26-2012 , 04:20 PM
4bet or fold pre IMO, did we not expect to face a bet if i came A or Q high? If we are calling to only flop 2pair or better then i think flatting is bad. Question is do we call down or jam flop?
05-26-2012 , 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishie Nutz
4bet or fold pre IMO, did we not expect to face a bet if i came A or Q high? If we are calling to only flop 2pair or better then i think flatting is bad. Question is do we call down or jam flop?
We are calling not jamming but if we get raised by someone else we have to give it up. That's why I don't like the family pot situation.
05-26-2012 , 05:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CombatCarl
We are calling not jamming but if we get raised by someone else we have to give it up. That's why I don't like the family pot situation.
Hero calls, everyone else folds..turn is a brick..villain jams..Hero dies inside lol
Probs best r/f pre unless you have a read that villain spews in 3bet pots right?
05-26-2012 , 05:21 PM
I think calling pre is fine and i'm calling flop. never folding never raising.
05-26-2012 , 07:28 PM
raising seems extremely pointless - im essentially turning my hand into a bluff considering its 4way. only hands that i beat and continue would be combodraws or smth..

anyways - i called, everyone else folded and villan jams $147 into $210 on 9. hero calls?
05-26-2012 , 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishie Nutz
Hero calls, everyone else folds..turn is a brick..villain jams..Hero dies inside lol
Probs best r/f pre unless you have a read that villain spews in 3bet pots right?
I think it's a good spot to re-squeeze in case if he is doing it light. A good regular will squeeze here with AJo like always with so much dead money on the table. He is not gonna wanna flat 4bet preflop oop so he should fold everything but his true 3bet value range.

Question is, is he capable of 5bet bluff knowing re-squeeze could be light. I don't know but regulars go crazy when squeeze is challenged sometimes with a lot of money on the table already.

If the squeezer can put re-squeezer on none paired premium range, they'd be happy to 5bet/bluff/shove with hands like TJo or may even a SC.

However, we are deep here so chances are he won't 5bet/bluff in general.
05-26-2012 , 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blend
raising seems extremely pointless - im essentially turning my hand into a bluff considering its 4way. only hands that i beat and continue would be combodraws or smth..

anyways - i called, everyone else folded and villan jams $147 into $210 on 9. hero calls?
I expect him to cbet that flop 100% with his entire squeeze range so I call his flop cbet as played, but when he jams the brick turn, I'm folding that is highly unlikely a bluff especially this deep, he probably got lucky and hit something big on either the flop or turn like 99 or something.
05-26-2012 , 09:37 PM
wp if you called down.
05-27-2012 , 12:43 AM
Probably folding pre.
05-27-2012 , 02:38 AM
KQhh and QJhh enter my mind but your hand blocks those hands. KThh, K9hh, 87hh, and some other FD/SD are possible for him to semi bluff jam with. I know some LAGs that are capable of making that move, thinking in reverse that because you are deep they figure you can not call without a nutted hand. The fact that you just flat his 3bet preflop and didn't raise the flop are some other reasons why he might try it. When you invest in a squeeze and see the pot grow like this, it's tempting to semi bluff or bluff more than usual also. For instance, shove for maximum FE. If he has it then it's AT, A9, T9, TT, AA, 99, or AK. And let's not discount AQ, the same hand from his range. If he flips over 99, I'm gonna puke literally.

I'm looking at this hand again and I think it's closer than clear fold on turn. I would have to be there to know but I think I'll end up folding, I'm not sure....

My image is a nit so I think I can get away with 4betting AQo preflop and against a LAG who is trigger happy with squeeze, I'm certainly gonna think about it. I don't know why you think AQo is not good enough to 4bet preflop here. If I'm not mistaken you are calling his 3bet preflop despite a decent chance of players behind over calling because you suspect that your hand might be ahead of his squeeze range. So with that in mind why is 4betting AQo preflop so pointless. You only have to worry about his squeeze range because two players behind can not be that strong most of the time and same goes for the villain, he is only worried about your range but at the same time you have position and the stack size to put the pressure right back on him.
05-27-2012 , 07:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CombatCarl
I expect him to cbet that flop 100% with his entire squeeze range
4way I doubt that's true unless he's a massive spewtard
05-27-2012 , 08:57 AM
You can't call $21 bb pre with AQ imo.
05-27-2012 , 07:50 PM
Definitely fold pf
05-27-2012 , 07:52 PM
I wouldn't call that huge squeeze with all those players behind me left to act
05-27-2012 , 08:16 PM
fold pre, people who make it large preflop often more then not, have the nuts.
05-29-2012 , 08:24 AM
Calling pre is pretty bad imo. I am folding here almost always unless i had a reason to 4bet/fold vs him. Calling essentially results in you playing in a bloated multiway pot with AQo, with players left to act behind you after the squeezer acts on the flop. it is just a ****ty spot to be in and def losing money.
05-30-2012 , 12:04 AM
+1 for folding preflop.
05-30-2012 , 01:52 PM
I like the call pre, I think his range is something like 3.5% value (TT+,AK) and it`s a decent spot to bluff.
4beting is good too ofc but i think this kind of "wastes" a good hand(even tho it`s a pretty rare spot.)

edit: I`m calling the flop and commiting against BB but I`m not happy about it.

      
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