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11-11-2007 , 02:41 PM

xeanatic

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Villian is 24/20 and I have been 3betting him a few times.
Previous 3bet pot I lost with AQ TPTK vs his straight with jacks.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $51.15
SB: $105.60
BB: $23.40
UTG: $185.80
MP: $137.50
Hero (CO): $96.50

Pre-Flop: J

dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG raises to $4, MP folds, Hero raises to $13, 3 folds, UTG calls $9

Flop: ($27.50) 6

(2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $21, UTG raises to $42, Hero ?

11-11-2007 , 02:46 PM

BountyKilla

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is he capable of calling a 3bet with qq+ oop ?

11-11-2007 , 02:47 PM

xeanatic

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I really have no clue, have not seen it before but also have not seen him 4betting

11-11-2007 , 02:52 PM

BountyKilla

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a check minraise is usually not a good thing....i hate being a nit but i fold without knowing more

11-11-2007 , 03:02 PM

dfhwy7856

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Bad spot to be in. Just call it and see if he gets frisky on the turn, then fold it?

11-11-2007 , 03:04 PM

sightless

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I was wondering if ud post this hand or not O_O
I liked the way i played this hand after he aq hand

edit: aq hand

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $72
BB: $84.75
Hero (UTG): $100
CO: $143.55
BTN: $113.05

Pre-Flop: J

dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $4, CO folds, BTN raises to $13, 2 folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($27.50) T

(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($27.50) Q

(2 Players)
Hero bets $18, BTN calls $18

River: ($63.50) 8

(2 Players)
Hero bets $30, BTN calls $30

Results: $123.50 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero showed J J (a straight, Eight to Queen) and WON $121.50 (+$60.50 NET)
BTN mucked A Q and LOST (-$61 NET)

11-11-2007 , 03:04 PM

KCrow

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If you think he's capable of doing this with 99, TT and AK you could go for a CRAI on the turn. I think it's either fold or call this and get in on a non A or K turn. I find JJ OOP in 3bet pots so hard to play. I'd be really interested to see what others have to say about this.

11-11-2007 , 03:07 PM

fees

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If you've been under his skin I think I would just go with it here, i think its likely enough hes trying to make some stupid play rather than actually show up with QQ+. You can call and let him continue bluffing or just shove, I think both are fine but I probably just go with it and live with the results. Also show us the AQ hand

11-11-2007 , 03:11 PM

spivey

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I call and get it in on turn.

I don't think a fold is terrible though.

11-11-2007 , 03:26 PM

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xeanatic

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Quote:

dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $4, CO folds, BTN raises to $13, 2 folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($27.50) T

(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($27.50) Q

(2 Players)
Hero bets $18, BTN calls $18

River: ($63.50) 8

(2 Players)
Hero bets $30, BTN calls $30

Results: $123.50 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero showed J J (a straight, Eight to Queen) and WON $121.50 (+$60.50 NET)
BTN mucked A Q and LOST (-$61 NET)

lol did not know u was 2+2

11-11-2007 , 03:48 PM

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phantom_lord

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call pf.

11-11-2007 , 03:53 PM

#12

xeanatic

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Quote:

call pf.

r u serious?

11-11-2007 , 03:56 PM

#13

carnivalhobo

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sight shove river in your JJ hand

xea, shove flop

11-11-2007 , 04:03 PM

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DaycareInferno

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Quote:

call pf.

r u serious?

i don't mind the 3bet, but calling is better than 3betting jj and then b/fing overpairs (usually). just 3bet with air instead if you're gonna do that, and at least get some value out of your jj when you have it.

11-11-2007 , 04:20 PM

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phantom_lord

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Quote:

call pf.

r u serious?

yes.

11-11-2007 , 04:20 PM

#16

cooker3

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*Grunch*

It's marginal but I think I shove giving history. I have noticed that people seem to min raising more to stop people in their tracks and represent a set which is what could be happening here.

11-11-2007 , 04:21 PM

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sightless

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Quote:

sight shove river in your JJ hand

xea, shove flop

didnt think he would call a shove ): but shoving would probably be correct

11-11-2007 , 04:23 PM

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LiveNow

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i'd fold....i don't think calling pf is terrible but lol @ calling being std.

11-11-2007 , 05:19 PM

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Arp220

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grunch (and I suck):

I like preflop. Not calling here as I've no idea what he could have.

Flop - with no reads I'd fold, as a significant part of his range just made a set. With that read.... hmmmm, its a close one between folding and shoving. Given stack sizes I probably shove.

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