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nl100 A3s 3bet pot bvb hits fd - 2nd barrel? nl100 A3s 3bet pot bvb hits fd - 2nd barrel?

01-25-2010 , 01:51 PM
Party Poker $100 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 496131
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Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $333.80
CO: $102.00
BTN: $315.25
SB: $99.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A 3
3 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) J 7 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB calls $12

Turn: ($38.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ?

v: 20/17/2.4/626hands ats 32 f3bet 45 fcbet 56 wts 27

should I 2nd barrel? if he only calls this wet flop maybe I have enough FE here? if bet, how much?
01-25-2010 , 07:42 PM
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01-25-2010 , 07:50 PM
depends a lot on your image, if you have a tight image than sure
01-25-2010 , 07:55 PM
tight image, bet, loose image, check
01-25-2010 , 07:59 PM
I was gonna say barrel again but I just noticed it's a 3bet pot in which case I probably check behind and take the free card. The 6 is pretty much a complete blank so if he liked his hand on the flop he should like it still. His fold to cbet stat is pretty low IMO but even so he probably doesn't float as much OOP with complete air and probably even less so OOP in 3bet pots.

That said the board is pretty drawy and he didn't raise the flop and his fold to 3bet% is pretty low too but I dunno, I think he maybe has AJ/KJ sometimes and is scared of an overpair, maybe if you bet turn you could get him off TT or AQ or something airy that he was hoping to get a cheap showdown with but that's probably a pretty small part of his range. I actually think if he has a weak Jack he might call one more street and fold to a river barrel but I think that line isn't too great either.

OK I think the correct play is probably to either check behind and hope to hit a club or Ace, or alternatively barrel again and follow through on almost any river.

I think I like the former more because he's OOP in a 3bet pot so I would just assume he's not calling you down too light until proven otherwise. But then I do suck at playing in 3bet pots and am kindof a nit so take that advice for what it's worth.
01-26-2010 , 12:37 AM
I would go ahead and bet it again. On that board if he hit it hard then he would've probably raised you on the flop unless he has 10-8. I bet he's chasing some kind of draw.
01-26-2010 , 12:40 AM
Keep betting. Think we get enough folds there.
01-26-2010 , 01:12 AM
If you barrel here, you should barrel most rivers. Both betting and checking are fine imo. Which one is better depends on Villain and your image.
01-26-2010 , 01:16 AM
What about checking the flop? What is folding that beats us to a flop bet besides like TT or AQ

what are you doing if you get c/r?
01-26-2010 , 01:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevendeuc24
What about checking the flop? What is folding that beats us to a flop bet besides like TT or AQ

what are you doing if you get c/r?
Really don't like checking the flop, it is worth it to fold out TT and AQ and just take the pot down now. Checking back OTF just makes it so hard to win the pot. If we get c/r its an easy ++++EV snapshove.
01-26-2010 , 01:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pm22
Really don't like checking the flop, it is worth it to fold out TT and AQ and just take the pot down now. Checking back OTF just makes it so hard to win the pot. If we get c/r its an easy ++++EV snapshove.
i could be wrong but I really don't think shoving over a c/r would be too +ev
01-26-2010 , 01:23 AM
this is sooo image dependent


in general, yes, bet again, for several reasons.

this is such a draw heavy board that A: you're ahead anyway B: If you had an overpair you would bet to price out the draws, so it's believable
01-26-2010 , 01:24 AM
I think it's very close between betting and checking behind. Villain doesn't really like his hand so I would bet and see him fold often enough.
01-26-2010 , 05:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevendeuc24
i could be wrong but I really don't think shoving over a c/r would be too +ev
It's very standard to shove over the c/r here.
01-26-2010 , 05:26 AM
how much would you bet? is 27 enough?
01-26-2010 , 05:30 AM
Given his low F3B, I might be tempted to call pf. But I don't hate the 3b, espeically if he c/fs a lot.

I think I would barrel this, and potentially a lot of rivers.
01-26-2010 , 06:49 AM
if u bet turn u have to shove most rivers
01-26-2010 , 07:04 AM
if he only calls this flop, his range most of the time can't stand 3 barrels. so I would bet now, choose an amount that doesn't commit him. then shove a lot of rivers.
01-26-2010 , 07:27 AM
Party Poker $100 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 496131
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $333.80
CO: $102.00
BTN: $315.25
SB: $99.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A 3
3 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) J 7 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB calls $12

Turn: ($38.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $27, SB calls $27

River: ($92.00) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $51 all in, Hero folds


I wanted to shove river but he didn't give me the chance.
01-26-2010 , 10:04 AM
i think i like betting like a 2/3/4/5/k on the turn way more then any other, if called bomb most blanks again, he`s gotta be compitent enough to fold 9x TT or weak Jx at least some % time, for this obv
01-26-2010 , 10:13 AM
If anything this is good news since he probably had a straight so if he's donkjamming that one that makes a 3barrel even better cuz it makes his rivercheck range even weaker in general.

      
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