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NL100: 4 bet pot 200BB deep OOP NL100: 4 bet pot 200BB deep OOP

02-07-2009 , 05:11 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 31143
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BTN: $82.00
Hero (SB): $199.30
BB: $404.05
UTG: $122.60
MP: $63.10
CO: $107.10

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 5 A
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $13, Hero raises to $39, BB calls $26

Flop: ($78.00) 8 2 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $26, Hero calls $26

Turn: ($130.00) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($130.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $339.05 all in, Hero calls $134.30 all in

vilian is around 18/16 with around a 6 % 3 bet, but seems good/aggro post flop. not much other history iirc

what do u think of the 4 bet sizing pre, post flop line and river call given my line?
02-07-2009 , 07:26 PM
playing a pot IP w A5s and instead using A5o to bluff is probably better unless you had dynamics that make you wanna 4bet/call A5s.

As played I think you can fold the river because any PP will check behind.

I like to 4bet smaller maybe like 32-34bbs for 200bbs. Its not much of a mistake tho.
02-07-2009 , 07:32 PM
I really think that you played this hand so bad, fold preflop.
If he 3bet 6%, then you almost are dead. And oop. This is leaking $.

If he don't have the ace, and one ace flops you wont get much, and when it hits you will run into AQ,AK. And when it dont hit your ace, he's big pp owns you.


fold preflop 110%
02-07-2009 , 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by animalplanet
I really think that you played this hand so bad, fold preflop.
If he 3bet 6%, then you almost are dead. And oop. This is leaking $.

If he don't have the ace, and one ace flops you wont get much, and when it hits you will run into AQ,AK. And when it dont hit your ace, he's big pp owns you.


fold preflop 110%
so you expect him to 3bet 6% in every postion no matter who opened?

folding 110% is kinda gross imo.
02-07-2009 , 07:43 PM
[QUOTE=Inf1n1tY;8639551]playing a pot IP w A5s and instead using A5o to bluff is probably better unless you had dynamics that make you wanna 4bet/call A5s.
[QUOTE]

i would call A5s IP but were in the SB, and since we cant call A5s OOP it has the same blocker function as A5o

also given he has a 6% 3 bet in general, im almost certain in this spot his 3 bet will be 10%+

im playing around 26/22 and open wide in the sb fwiw
02-07-2009 , 07:52 PM
[QUOTE=dean7456;8639826][QUOTE=Inf1n1tY;8639551]playing a pot IP w A5s and instead using A5o to bluff is probably better unless you had dynamics that make you wanna 4bet/call A5s.
Quote:

i would call A5s IP but were in the SB, and since we cant call A5s OOP it has the same blocker function as A5o

also given he has a 6% 3 bet in general, im almost certain in this spot his 3 bet will be 10%+

im playing around 26/22 and open wide in the sb fwiw
ah i thought we were OTB.


Opening wide in the SB is a huge leak btw^^.
02-07-2009 , 07:54 PM
This play is a big leak.
02-07-2009 , 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inf1n1tY
Opening wide in the SB is a huge leak btw^^.
yeah your right but vs most regs at these stakes im pretty sure its a case of being exploitable only matters if they exploit you
02-07-2009 , 08:04 PM
Not to be an ass, but I'd say getting you to put in 200BB OOP with A rag kicker is exploiting you pretty well.
02-07-2009 , 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lvnoffsklskyb
Not to be an ass, but I'd say getting you to put in 200BB OOP with A rag kicker is exploiting you pretty well.
you might be right, but in particular which street (or likely streets) dont u like

also would u never have any 4 bet bluffs in your range here?
02-07-2009 , 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dean7456
you might be right, but in particular which street (or likely streets) dont u like

also would u never have any 4 bet bluffs in your range here?
In my mind, it's not a question of ranges, etc. Of course any competent/good player is 4 bet bluffing here at least sometimes. My mindset in these types of situations is that there's really no point to playing them. From what I've seen on the boards in the short time I've been here is that people seem to get caught up a lot in these super thin spots worrying about equity and ranges. I think that kind of stuff is better saved for the MSNL/HSNL games where your edge is significantly decreased and there are many more things to consider in a hand and many more good players willing and able to make moves. Overall, at these stakes people are just giving away money, so I don't find a need to get into **** fits with an aggressive player OOP 200BB deep.

I feel like you just let it go prf honestly. I can't think of many situations where you're in a great spot, but I can think of tons where your opponent is. I know it sounds weak and I know you're probably trying to improve your game to get better and move up. But you really are limited by your competition to a certain extent. If your opponent is going to limp/call ATC and call down with anything that resembles a hand, then you have to recognize this and play accordingly, even though your play may show a profit in a vacuum.

I also think this river shove is similar to the prf 4 bet frequency. Yeah sure sometimes he'll just be pushing napkins but it's not nearly often enough to show a profit and more often than not this is a super strong hand with AQ or AJ being at the bottom of his range.

I guess I just don't understand battling against a guy like this OOP so deep when there are probably 10 other fish at your tables willing to check/call their money off with bottom pair. I see a lot of hands here where people get into very marginal situations with a 12 tabling reg. I just don't see the point.
02-07-2009 , 08:47 PM
bet flop?
02-07-2009 , 08:48 PM
spewtastic, fold to the 3bet ldo

      
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