Villain is 20/12/1.9 over 200. There's no history, reads, and can't remember any special hands leading up to the one in question.

Now, I could have folded pre, I know that. I don't 3-bet AJ from the blinds everytime a SLA opens because I saw it on a CR video.

However, I knew he was isolating a fish, a 3-bet from in the blinds looks strong, we have no history, so he doesn't have reason to believe I'm doing this vs. him light.

Is this an easy fold? Easy call? Anyone think it's close?

Also, I don't remember exactly how I was playing at the time, but I went back and looked at my stats for the table and was playing at 20/19/2 with ATS of 42. That probably doesn't really matter for this spot, but I guess every piece of information helps to figure out the play here.


Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $128.65
MP: $191.50
CO: $100.00
BTN: $91.75
Hero (SB): $110.95
BB: $22.55

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A J
UTG calls $1, MP raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $15, 2 folds, MP calls $10.50

Flop: ($32.00) 9 6 J (2 players)
Hero bets $24, MP raises to $104 for all hero's stack, Hero...

tough spot i think i make a lot of mistakes in this situation.
if youv been three betting him a lot and taking fops down with c bets i would call, no history is close... he 4 bets ks and aces, probably queens... unlikely he has jacks, as we have one.

only hands you can really worry about are 66 and 99, would be helpful if you knew how he tended to play his monsters... i usually try and get a feel for how regulars are playing there flopped monsters on dry boards like this...

i wouldnt be surprised if he showed up with q10s here... i would call with no history, but im spewy.

Its close, but I think your ahead of his range and getting 2 to 1 I call here pretty confidently.

Against a laggy reg whom I've been 3betting back and forth a whole lot with, I call this all day and feel good about it - BECAUSE I feel pretty certain he's doing this with crap like tens and eights and straight draws and worse jacks, etc.

Against a 20/12 with no history, your hand is basically a bluff catcher. It's unlikely he's doing this with TT/AK, you have no reason to feel certain he wouldn't flat QQ-AA in position. It's conceivable he could do this with KJs-TJs, but I think a fold is okay here. I might also cbet a touch less in this spot to make the fold slightly less painful.

I would call. If one thinks you are raising them light they are more likely to call to make a move on the flop.

I call this without too much thought. He knows we know hes isolating pre so his range is def. widened significantly and we drill the flop... Ofcourse were gonna Cbet so this is a good spot for him to shove all kind of draws in our face. I wouldnt be surprised to see KQ, KT, QT, 78s, as well as a ton of worse 1 pair hands. Sometimes you're beat here but I think we flopped too good in this spot to fold

I have to really agree with this. Against this guy without a lot of history, I think that the flop fold is pretty easy. I'd CB to about 22 max (but that's not a huge difference, but it makes the fold a little easier). I don't think bluff raising here is really in his range at all without serious 3betting dynamics.

With a more laggy player, and/or 3betting dynamics, this is an easy bet/call.

Your line is a good line against an aggro reg that you have at least some relevant history with because he can perceive you as doing this light, and can therefore call with worse hands or get it in with worse hands on the flop.

Your line is a bad line against a guy with these stats that you have no relevant history with. His calling range probably crushes you, and the only good scenario post flop is him having TT and maaaaybe giving more than one street of value. Your hand has much more value taking a flop against the fish.

All I know is that there are alot more words responding to this thread than there should be per post.

PS, spell check is not very happy when your drunk and transposing letters like no one's businezz

Since players are 3betting so light from the blinds now (it looks weak actually) I might shove any two here if i was him. So the problem lies in 3betting a crap hand vs. his MP range. If he's on the button, it's a 3bet..

I totally agree with all of this, especially the part about him flatting with a big pair.


I disagree with this statement. I don't give a guy playing 20/12 a whole lot of credit. I view people playing like that as weak players and somewhat Tagfishy. I'm not sure he knows I know he's isolating and then capable of changing his play accordingly. I think he called my 3-bet because he's either has station tendencies or was playing a big pair deceptively.

I don't wanna play a pot out of position especially with a weak/marginal hand like AJ. I'm thinking folding is better than calling. Now, my only question is, is it better to 3-bet or fold vs. a decent player with no history. I opted to go for it in this instance.

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This hand is in need of some poker stove action.

This is tough but I feel like most of the time we're beat here... this villain just isn't super aggressive enough to make this an easy call.

I dunno I'm torn but most if I call I can easily expect to be beat here.

Why not call pre 100% vs this player? He will never call your 3b pre with worse so you've a ton of reverse implied odds

A 22/17 iso range would be almost their entire opening range but i think a 20/12 doesn't iso limpers light, unlike a 22/17+ who can iso very liberally. Thus 3bing pre loses alot of value/purpose.

Pre is fine occasionally, although I would mostly call here. As played I snap real fast.

I also prefer calling pf this way you get to play against the fish and dont get into crappy situations like this. 3 betting pf is basically turning your hand into a bluff which sucks because it has good value against the limp calling range of the fish and the iso-raising range of the 20/12

call this. preflop is kinda meh. i'd prefer to play this hand 3 way by just calling pre

For those advocating just calling preflop, what's your standard line playing OOP on a flop you miss... just c/f?

Here is the closest hand I could find that's similar:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=123450

Consensus seems to be to call.