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NL100 2p, 3bpot, OTR NL100 2p, 3bpot, OTR

03-01-2014 , 03:26 AM
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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UTG: $100 (100 bb)
MP: $136.74 (136.7 bb)
CO: $59.19 (59.2 bb)
BTN: $418.30 (418.3 bb)
SB: $127.62 (127.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 6
3 folds, BTN raises to $3, SB folds, Hero raises to $10, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($20.50) Q 4 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($20.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $9.25, BTN calls $9.25

River: ($39) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $19.50, BTN raises to $399.05 and is all-in, Hero ???

Villain: wininng reg, large sample.
27/22, f3b 58, steal: 37, fcbet 44
BIP 70, 45(3bpot), FvsRiverBet: 45
RiverBeT:30, WTSD 31, WWSF 51
03-01-2014 , 04:14 AM
do you see ck-calling turn a better option?
03-01-2014 , 02:41 PM
cbet flop..

as played c/c turn + river
03-01-2014 , 03:38 PM
C-betting flop is burning money, so as it is betting the turn (unless you have some dynamics/spec reads whereby you can actually bet for thin value). I think c/c turn + river is way better.

As played, you may even think about calling vs someone who can handread and be somewhat aggressive OTR (It's a good spot to bluff for him), as you should be at the top of your range playing that way.
03-01-2014 , 09:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiffy
C-betting flop is burning money, so as it is betting the turn (unless you have some dynamics/spec reads whereby you can actually bet for thin value). I think c/c turn + river is way better.

As played, you may even think about calling vs someone who can handread and be somewhat aggressive OTR (It's a good spot to bluff for him), as you should be at the top of your range playing that way.
how is cbetting the flop burning money? if people want to be 3betting out of position with 76s pre then they kind of have to be cbetting at least some of the time and this is a fairly good board to do it, what boards would you cbet bluff then if not here (if you say anything with a pair or backdoor straight or flush draw i'm going to tell you that's more like semi bluffing than bluffing when you have 7 high and check it oop after reraising)? i'm guessing you like to check fold a lot with 7 high then instead of cbetting but it's probably more profitable to flat pre than put in money and then give the pot away every time you miss with low cards (although you aren't the player in the hand, if villain was calling a lot here and raising/floating flops like this significant amounts, then 3betting this pre is probably not optimal)

river looks like a call as played, especially with your sizing, al;though i like the suggestion c/c turn and river more because of how the hand fits into your range

Last edited by jaysu; 03-01-2014 at 10:09 PM.
03-02-2014 , 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysu
how is cbetting the flop burning money? if people want to be 3betting out of position with 76s pre then they kind of have to be cbetting at least some of the time and this is a fairly good board to do it, what boards would you cbet bluff then if not here (if you say anything with a pair or backdoor straight or flush draw i'm going to tell you that's more like semi bluffing than bluffing when you have 7 high and check it oop after reraising)? i'm guessing you like to check fold a lot with 7 high then instead of cbetting but it's probably more profitable to flat pre than put in money and then give the pot away every time you miss with low cards (although you aren't the player in the hand, if villain was calling a lot here and raising/floating flops like this significant amounts, then 3betting this pre is probably not optimal)
Totally agree with you about the 3Betting part of your post; I'm pretty sure 3Betting here vs this villain, given the info OP posted, is a significant mistake (tho i didn't mentioned it in my reply, that's my bad)

However, as played, this is (or should be at least) one of the worst hand OP has in his likely range to bluff this flop with, due to poor equity and bad blockers/turn+river playability.
03-03-2014 , 03:31 AM
thanks guys.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiffy
I'm pretty sure 3Betting here vs this villain, given the info OP posted, is a significant mistake (tho i didn't mentioned it in my reply, that's my bad)
why do you think 3betting here is a significant mistake?
03-03-2014 , 04:27 AM
As played why are we betting turn?
03-03-2014 , 04:48 PM
Yeah don't 3bet this hand against a good reg with 57% fold to 3b.
He protects wide, his strategy include floats and barrling to passive lines.
Would be hard to impossiable for you playing this and profitablly.

As played I would bluff catch T, barrel blank R if he cb or c/c or c/f according to the river and his tendencues .

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Last edited by 3betForFood; 03-03-2014 at 04:55 PM.
03-03-2014 , 05:14 PM
Dont like 3betting pre, dont like cbetting flop, its almost the worse hand we will have on this board and we need x/f range. x/c turn and x/c river.

      
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