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07-12-2009 , 09:28 PM

ab initio

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 22

Vil is 21/20 over maybe 100 hands. 3b is 4%. Totally lost pf, and frop. HELP

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($198)
Hero ($314)
UTG ($276)
CO ($221)
BTN ($239)

Dealt to Hero Q

UTG raises to $6, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $20, UTG raises to $54, Hero calls $34

FLOP ($109) Q

Hero checks, UTG bets $60, Hero raises to $260 (AI), UTG folds

Hero shows Q

Hero wins $227

07-12-2009 , 09:46 PM

loosbastard

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,072

I flat pre, but the 3-bet is fine if you've been even remotely active.

Just flat the flop, jesus.

07-12-2009 , 09:53 PM

ab initio

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 22

I didnt think he was putting any more money in without an Ace. So the only I hands I see continuing are AK,AQ,AA. Of which I lose two out of three.. If he didnt have those, I thought maybe he could put me on a pure bluff if he had KK, JJ etc. Like I said, I was totally lost.

07-12-2009 , 09:57 PM

Slayer

adept

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,157

I don't think flatting the 4bet is so great. If you flat the initial raise its fine, or if you 3bet/shove its fine. But why are we flatting the 4bet? And please please as played c/c the flop. C/shove turn imo. Also -> more important than anything else, don't show when they fold!!!

07-12-2009 , 09:58 PM

Tunaisgood

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by loosbastard

I flat pre, but the 3-bet is fine if you've been even remotely active.

Just flat the flop, jesus.

I like the 3 bet pre flop. Obv you wanna get some money in the pot pre flop with a hand like QQ.

And yea, i likely flat the flop bet...What are you afraid of? He's 4 betting you with aces. Flat the flop, and hope he leads the turn, then re raise his turn bet. I think you could've gotten a little more value out of him if you flatted the flop imo

07-12-2009 , 10:01 PM

ab initio

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 22

Didn't show. I think thats just the way HEM displays hands when copied directly from the hud hand reviewer. I dont think there is any way in hell he's betting the turn there with JJ or KK, and I think he's calling any ace on that flop. Am I totally off here? What kind of range are we giving this dude? Guess he might call a value bet on the river, but I dont think we're advocating getting there anyway.

07-12-2009 , 10:36 PM

Paul McSwizzle

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,531

flat the flop, let him continue to vbet AK, and continue with his bluffs. the hands u lose to ur going to lose to no matter what, so just let him continue so u can maximize vs the hands u beat.

07-13-2009 , 03:18 AM

stranbougie

banned

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 136

would flat the flop as played and would shove over him preflop when he 3 bets you . Definatly just flat callin the flop then pushin the turn

07-13-2009 , 04:53 AM

thatssosick

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,443

if youre not stacking off pf then dont 3bet

as played flat flop as mentioned ITT obv

c/shove turn if check through then gaybet river

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