We're deep here...

Villain is 20/18/3 over 300 hands.

Hero is 17/15/3 TAG.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 27113
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CO: $155.60
BTN: $56.60
SB: $103.50
Hero (BB): $178.40
UTG: $106.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with T T
1 fold, CO raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, CO calls $8.50

Flop: ($24.50) 9 J Q (2 players)
Hero bets $16, CO calls $16

Turn: ($56.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero ???

Bonus Question: Does our play change if we hold the T?

I would flat this pre against most tags. Unless he is calling a lot of 3bets, that is he is playing a lot of hands worse than TT to a 3bet, then I would 3bet here.

I would c/c this flop, because no worse hand will float you here. like ever.

for the turn, given that we are out of position, deep, and do not have a club in our hand, I would just fold.

I'm usually not a fan of taking a c/c OOP line in these spots, but I think this is one case where it has some merit. He's never folding a better hand on the flop (betting the flop does allow you to set up some barrelling spots to fold out Jx hands but I think that's kinda marginal and combining that w not wanting to be bluffed is not enough reason to really want to bet the flop) and there are very few worse hands that are peeling on this board, like T9 exactly. You're perfectly happy to let this flop check through. Which is not to say I would c/c to the death here, as I think it's quite unlikely he'll fire multiple barrels w air here after you c/c, but I think c/c flop, reeval turn.

As played I would fold.

yeh i would fold without a club too. with a club i think i would c/shove. we should have lots of fold equity here and still decent equity if called. not sure if it makes a lotta sense to play so different depending on if we have Tc.

ur not deep until you have 200 and this being a tough spot with 155 for you means maybe flatting pf???

dont bet the flop here, nothing better folds and nothing worse calls and ur bet can get raised by hands you have equity against. c/c flop is fine then i like to lead hella scary cards and my OESD nutters (T's are meh gross), if not just c/f. You'll prob get some showdowns cuz ur line is crazy lookin. If you have Tc prob doesn't change much except you have more equity against the hands that pwn you.

As played fold

Tricky spot on the turn, I would check/fold here. With TT I would be more inclined to bet since our equity is way better.

I think Brian made a very good point for c/calling the flop.

Question:

How does he ever show up with a set here?
Maybe 99, but thats it!

Just wanted to say that. You could either bet or crai turn imo. His line looks really weird.

I guess crai is spewy since we dont have T, but I would bet.

preflop seems terrible to me from a sizing point of view at the very very least.

postflop idk. I guess you could check/call the flop but its one messy flop to check/call. Your basically hoping he doesnt put anymore bets in because your hand isn't even strong enough to bluff catch w/o a read really. Fairly certain i prefer bet.

I think check/shoving the turn is completely insane.

I'd prefer it more with the T, but his line doesnt look like a set at all.
We are 150bb deep and our line would look super strong.

my biggest problem is he doesn't float air on that board.

Bonus Question 2: What would you do with AK?

yeah, thats my problem as well, he is repping AQ/KQ/99 exactly imo.

c/f flop
c/c turn

Thanks for the responses. We were trying to gain a little more perspective on this hand:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...d-turn-403770/

just call pf mostly.

c/c flop c/f turn.

I think either 3bet or call preflop is ok, if you not really comfortable playing 3bet pots with TT OOP I much rather call obv. Dunno what his fold to 3bet is? But that makes a big difference aswell. c/c flop seems good.