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NL 100 Trips vs action in 3b pot NL 100 Trips vs action in 3b pot

10-08-2014 , 06:21 AM
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$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem


Stacks:
UTG ($21.17) 21bb
UTG+1 ($119.53) 120bb
CO ($170.99) 171bb
Hero (BTN) ($104.13) 104bb
SB ($47.26) 47bb
BB ($93.85) 94bb

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BTN A Q
2 folds, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, CO calls $6

Flop: Q Q 10 ($19.50, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $11, CO raises to $24, Hero calls $13

Turn: K ($67.50, 2 players)
CO goes all-in $137.99, $71.13 to Hero ($71.13)?
10-08-2014 , 10:18 AM
3bet flop unless:

1) you are 3betting TT or QT on the BTN.
2) you do not have a 3bet bluff range (which would probably include lower flushdraws that also block villains value hands such as J7s or 97s) on this texture with these positions.

I imagine some will advocate flatting pre, but we can profitably call a pot-sized 4bet so no problems imo.

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10-08-2014 , 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franchise804
3bet flop unless:

1) you are 3betting TT or QT on the BTN.
2) you do not have a 3bet bluff range (which would probably include lower flushdraws that also block villains value hands such as J7s or 97s) on this texture with these positions.

I imagine some will advocate flatting pre, but we can profitably call a pot-sized 4bet so no problems imo.

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+1
10-08-2014 , 03:03 PM
Reraise-jam the flop at your stack size.
10-08-2014 , 03:34 PM
terrible advice itt

x'ing back the flop some % vs some players

1) dunno how jaming FD's can be profitable
2) most of our FDs wanna xb

call/ call turn

has worse for value/combo draws/random clicks
10-08-2014 , 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartimC
terrible advice itt

x'ing back the flop some % vs some players

1) dunno how jaming FD's can be profitable
2) most of our FDs wanna xb

call/ call turn

has worse for value/combo draws/random clicks
+1

Franchise tarding it up like usual.
10-09-2014 , 07:05 AM
I know it's 2p2 but really is there any need to make it personal? Also i've liked a lot of Franchises posts in this board iirc.

I'd flat pre vs unknown and play postflop. Think it's much better when we don't have a dynamic or knowledge of his 4betting tendencies yet.

As played probably betting when checked to otf and then calling/calling. Folding doesn't really seem like an option imo.
10-09-2014 , 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartimC
terrible advice itt

x'ing back the flop some % vs some players

1) dunno how jaming FD's can be profitable
2) most of our FDs wanna xb

call/ call turn

has worse for value/combo draws/random clicks
By checking back we lose value from KQ, QJ, AT, KT JT, T9 and draws.

If we want a 3bet bluffing range it should contain hands with blockers to villains calling range and enough equity when called to go along with our fold equity. I can see how our small Axs combos could fulfill these criteria, but cannot think of better 3bet bluffing candidates. The only way to utilize this potential is to c-bet with at least some of them.

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10-09-2014 , 09:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BornToRun
+1

Franchise tarding it up like usual.
Why this one-liner personal attack? Franchise has been a solid poster in the forum.
10-09-2014 , 11:04 AM
Franchise posts are ok. Prob wrong decision he advocates a bunch of times but we all post here to get more insight, find more options regarding our tought process etc.

Now back to the hand. We dont shove flop cause we simply dont have enough bluffs here.

Also its not a single raised pot where we can 3b/fold.

Flop is an easy call imo with whole range.

What we do on turn ? Whould also like to know what we doing with KK and AA.

Obv we look strong ish when we flat flop.
10-09-2014 , 01:11 PM
Okay, not sure how I feel about having a 3-bet range on this flop given the sizing from villain, it gives all flush draws/combo draws a great price to draw (I feel like calling with a flush draw is a far better play), so would lean towards calling my entire continuing range. Against a bigger raise size from villain I can see having a 3-bet ship range here as more viable but not against this sizing.

I agree with Martim that we should have strong Qx/maybe a couple of boat combos in our xb range (for reasons he put forward) on this flop, I don't think AQss is a combo I'd put in it, don't know whether you were suggesting that or not Martim?

On this turn just got to click call.
10-09-2014 , 01:18 PM
Re-reading this hh Idk what I was thinking about 3betting the flop.

I'm in the always call c/r camp. Definitely not xing back flop tho.
10-09-2014 , 01:35 PM
AQo is a pretty good hand to check back flop imo. This is a texture that favors the oop callers range vs your btn 3b range as you tend to flat pretty much all Qx type hands pre and hands like AA KK AK AT JJ all probay prefer to check this flop and go for two streets later. I think your flop betting range should be pretty polar but including AQss seems ok as it gives him the maximum amount of flush draws and most straight draws.
Once raised you call and call basically all turns. Maybe fold 9 but other than TT (which you flat a decent bunch pre) this is the strongest hand in your range
10-09-2014 , 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ved
Whould also like to know what we doing with KK and AA.
KK seems like a call... I'm guessing that some AA combos should be calls but it doesn't feel great.

I don't see any other option otf other than b/c vs an unknown, and it's obviously not an amazing turn but still just calling it off. I mean yeah we could xb flop, we could fold turn, but doing either seems bad without any info imo.
10-10-2014 , 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mucknuts
I know it's 2p2 but really is there any need to make it personal? Also i've liked a lot of Franchises posts in this board iirc.

I'd flat pre vs unknown and play postflop. Think it's much better when we don't have a dynamic or knowledge of his 4betting tendencies yet.

As played probably betting when checked to otf and then calling/calling. Folding doesn't really seem like an option imo.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfunAK
Why this one-liner personal attack? Franchise has been a solid poster in the forum.
You're both right of course re: getting personal, I apologise.

His posts tilt me, that's my problem. They're definitely not solid, though.

      
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