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06-11-2010 , 08:49 PM

alex23

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $128.80
CO: $103.50
BTN: $126.70
SB: $100.00
BB: $60.00
Hero (UTG): $219.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to $3, MP calls $3, 4 folds

Flop: ($7.50) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP raises to $14

Villain is a 26/0 over 61 hands with a 60% fcbet. I really don't like raise/fold or raise/call with these stack sizes, and calling seems gross because of all the awful turn cards. I also think folding is too weak if there is any chance he does this with KT, QT, or a fd or combo draw. Not sure what to do and what my plan is.

06-11-2010 , 09:17 PM

Brian O'Nolan

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Generally this kind of passive villain isn't raising with a draw, so his range is mostly 2pr+ and you're getting it in kinda bad against that range, but not so bad that you'd want to 3b/fold or anything. Call and see a turn. There are a lot of bad turn cards and you're OOP, but villain is probably going to make a lot more mistakes on future streets if you call than if you 3b.

06-11-2010 , 10:04 PM

Nirwanda

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Guys like that doesn't fold straights or flushes even on paired boards, and since you're semi-deep I even think you're almost getting odds to chase a full house.

And that's excluding the fact that you're totally not always behind here.

06-16-2010 , 02:51 AM

Lego05

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Bump .... I think this is a great hand to have posted.

It is something that I'm interested in.

I'll post my opinion tomorrow .... or maybe the next day, I have a ton of stuff to do but I'll get it down here before I leave this weekend.

06-16-2010 , 10:17 AM

mojo6911

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Surely a fish will raise QQ+, pre, right? I think his range is weighted towards top pair or two pair, rather than a set. Also, doesn't a fish like this generally wait until the turn to minraise you with a flopped set? When I see the minraise on the flop from a fish, that generally means they either hit the board but don't have TPTK crushed, or they don't believe you and have an underpair. Occasionally, they do it with sets, but I don't see it here.

06-16-2010 , 11:09 AM

sgxou

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i would fold flop and avoid getting stacked in future streets. if you are behind you have 4 outs to improve yet he can have AT, 9T, so easily here. even if he is behind with an AA or flush draw he has so much equity to improve. in other words since this is a barely ahead/way behind situation i would fold flop.

06-16-2010 , 11:31 AM

Pickled pepperolini

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I think we can leave out TT+ from his range here as they will 3b pre.
AK, AJ, KQ, KT, QT is the hands that is raising this flop for value, and a lot of fish just push buttons when they are raising, so they could easily minraise with their entire flop raisingrange.
I think we could leave out most flushdraws, pure bluffs and onepair hands here.

I don't feel comfortable giving advice on what to do in this hand, but i would love to see someone else give their opinion here.

06-16-2010 , 12:45 PM

bighomeytim

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The flop bet of 7 into 7.5 is kind of obvious. I'm for sure peeling to try to hit the nuts and stack him. I'm not worried about gross turns because it's already gross. He may shut down if a spade hits or if the board pairs, which isn't a great argument for calling if we're thinking he flopped the nuts, but it shows that the board can come out gross for him too.

Turn and river decisions are where it gets tough. minraises are easy to call.

06-16-2010 , 12:47 PM

bighomeytim

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[QUOTE]Stian Bjornoy;19629741]I think we can leave out TT+ from his range here as they will 3b pre.
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I doubt he's 3betting TT.

06-16-2010 , 12:52 PM

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oh-nahhh

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seems like a standard call and c/f turn unimproved no? atleast thats what i do

06-16-2010 , 12:54 PM

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CCM

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My default here would be to call the flop and check the turn to him. I would say his range is something along the lines of {AJ,TT,KQ,KT(some combos),QT(some combos),some AA/AK and some (few) draws}

I would be calling up to a normal sized bet on a non A,9,J turn and folding river if he sized his turn/river bets as to get stacks in

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