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07-02-2008 , 08:03 PM

RUDIKULOUS

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Villain is pl4n-G, a 2p2er iirc but I can't remember who. I don't really remember anything about him from the past and the only history is that i gave up a hand to him like half an hour ago. He seems to be playing pretty inline so far this session.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $249.90
UTG: $302.35
Hero (CO): $322.95
BTN: $93.00
SB: $187.80

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A

UTG raises to $8, Hero raises to $28, 3 folds, UTG calls $20

Flop: ($59.00) K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $40, UTG calls $40

Turn: ($139.00) 4

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $80

07-02-2008 , 08:19 PM

champstark

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I don't really think he's folding much on the turn here that he called the flop with, so I don't like it. I'd probably not even bet the flop, TBH. Unless he's been getting out of line I'd prefer to flat the AJ in position too.

07-02-2008 , 08:23 PM

johnnybeef

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Yea, AJ is prolly a fold here pf. I don't hate the turn bet but I don't love it either.

07-02-2008 , 08:30 PM

Pat Southern

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnybeef

Yea, AJ is prolly a fold here pf. I don't hate the turn bet but I don't love it either.

You do realize you have an 11 and a 10 in position somewhat deep don't you?

I think this is good and somewhat standard, he's probably calling one street with 88 or something and with your bet sizing if he's looking to make a hero call with JJ he knows he'll have to put the rest in on the river a lot.

07-02-2008 , 08:37 PM

ThaHero

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Well if you bet turn you pretty much gotta poooosh any river obv which is really total spew but might work, although you'd have way less than a psb left.

I usually don't even bet the flop here, or 3 bet pre.

07-02-2008 , 08:39 PM

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Southern

Tough to assume a straightforward villain is flatting a 3 bet OOP with 88 type hands.

07-02-2008 , 08:42 PM

Pat Southern

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starkwired

Tough to assume a straightforward villain is flatting a 3 bet OOP with 88 type hands.

I think that getting 15-1 implied, a lot of players will call this 3 bet (incorrectly imo) hoping to hit a set or a favorable flop.

What do you feel his preflop calling range is? His flop calling range?

07-02-2008 , 08:44 PM

Ra_Z_Boy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starkwired

Tough to assume a straightforward villain is flatting a 3 bet OOP with 88 type hands.

They are deepish, he would never fold 88 PF.

07-02-2008 , 08:44 PM

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Southern

TT/JJ/QQ

07-02-2008 , 08:45 PM

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champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

They are deepish, he would never fold 88 PF.

?

This is a pretty clear preflop fold.

07-02-2008 , 08:46 PM

#11

Ra_Z_Boy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starkwired

?

This is a pretty clear preflop fold.

Perhaps but villain would nearly always call with 88 OOP with these stacks imo.

07-02-2008 , 08:46 PM

#12

RUDIKULOUS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starkwired

Tough to assume a straightforward villain is flatting a 3 bet OOP with 88 type hands.

Mmm I think this deep a lot of regs are calling tons of pp's oop for set value (which i think can be pretty bad).

Edit: I also think TT and JJ have a difficult call on this street since bluffing this particular board would seem pretty unlikely.

07-02-2008 , 08:47 PM

#13

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Perhaps but villain would nearly always call with 88 OOP with these stacks imo.

Not if he's straightforward or halfway decent. Going off the reads provided, I'm assuming he's not a complete tard.

07-02-2008 , 08:48 PM

#14

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RUDIKULOUS

Mmm I think this deep a lot of regs are calling tons of pp's oop for set value (which i think can be pretty bad).

OK, if we assume he's going to flat 66-JJ here, are we really sure he's good enough to fold on the turn?

07-02-2008 , 08:55 PM

#15

RUDIKULOUS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by starkwired

OK, if we assume he's going to flat 66-JJ here, are we really sure he's good enough to fold on the turn?

Well I'm not 100% sure if I can get him to fold but I think he does a good amount of the time. I don't think I need him to fold too much either to make this profitable since I don't have to bet large, I might have some outs with ace, and also he can fear the potential third barrel.

Sort of a tangent, but I think calling pp's oop is one of the most common leaks in SSNL regs since they can't play them profitably on later streets vs competent opponents.

07-02-2008 , 09:00 PM

#16

orange

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check flop i think. then continue from there.

07-02-2008 , 09:08 PM

#17

mdom88

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pretty sure that pl4ng is coldi. pf is fine, calling and 3betting are both cool. i don't like the turn barrel unless you have played a lot of hands with villain and have played pretty in line against him.

and i know that you dont have reads on pl4n g yet but i think that you will find eventually that this is not a good spot to bluff this particular villain like ever

07-02-2008 , 09:11 PM

#18

RUDIKULOUS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mdom88

Well, we've played some hands and I was pretty in line!

07-02-2008 , 09:47 PM

#19

Mejis

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i dont really like preflop but postflop seems fine to me if you are both 'in line' so far. i think he's folding enough on the turn tbh.

07-02-2008 , 09:55 PM

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orange

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as played no i dont really like it that much since he probably thinks you wouldc heck somewhere with AA/QQ/JJ or what have youand youre repping a tight range. whether or not you'd do such things doesn't matter a whole lot, i think instead how he'd interpret your bet is what matters.

07-02-2008 , 09:57 PM

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nuggetz87

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bad preflop imo

07-02-2008 , 10:05 PM

#22

stompin

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If I'm doing this....I'd like a smaller bet on flop and bigger on turn.

07-02-2008 , 10:14 PM

#23

blah-blah-blah

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preflop can never really be bad when you're 3betting w/ position and you've been in line. I would check the flop because I don't think he's folding much on that flop and ur gonna feel like you have to fire again to get him off of his middle pairs but he can also be slowplaying Kx.

07-02-2008 , 10:39 PM

#24

johnnybeef

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Yea, your range is kinda polarized here unless you are barreling AA, QQ-TT which I doubt you are doing because they work much better as bluff catchers on this board. As far as pf, AJ is at the bottom of most decent utg raisers range, so relying strictly on a FE in this situation is not the best of ideas.