Heres the situation- Within several calculators out there (stoxEV/pokerazor) by imputting your hand/the villians range it will calculate your hand strength distribution OTF (Chance to flop top pair/straight/quads etc). Is this information available outside the calculator? Having to imput all the hands and scribe the info wouldnt be fun (time=money, im my case about 4bb/hour at 25cent stakes, so my time is obviously precious lol)

seriously though, is a chart available of flop distribution vs a random range with the flops classified into differnt groups? If not would it be worth while to post the work when im done?

Just get better at poker imo.

And just use pokerstove when you're messing around with a particular hand. Otherwise just play mang.

going through this information will help me get better at poker, if I dont understand how often 87s will flop top pair or a straight draw, I dont really stand any chance do I? (just some basic examples but still)

within the implied odds and you post from the master sticky they also discuss the probabilty of flopping combo draws and such which arnt covered in any calculator that I can find, its this kind of information im looking to draw from all of this.

my understanding of the math behind poker theory is also lacking and I realize I could go about learning this kinda of stuff in a differnt way, but I beleive that this info will help my learning process right now, Anyone know where to find this, or has some relavant info?

The better players have all done this on their own, and if you want to be one you'll do it too.

There's really no reason for a chart, as many of the same numbers come up over and over and over again. Your task now is to go get those numbers.

a page with the basic info would be great, the tedious aspect of it is pretty much why im posting, typing through the same numbers over a hundred times would wear my fingers out as for the more complicated aspects of all this, the basic info would allow me to draw my own conclusions from it. Im grateful for the responses, but does anyone know if a page like this exists? thanks for any help, but if the next couple posters could have some relavent info I could stop messin with the noise/content ratio here

thanks again, gk

I will tell you right now to give up poker. Just give up. Because if you won't spend a few measly hours playing with pokerstove/stoxEV/whatever, then there is literally no chance in hell that you'll survive.

lol you're so mean!

seriously? Im looking for a little info, bring it down a notch. you wouldnt want to work for hours when the info is just a click away.

theres so much Im looking to learn and I dont want to waste time, im new here, be nice


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Mean people suck

The thing is, just showing you some graphs won't make you better if you'll not willing to think on your own and do some experimentation with HM/pokerstove etc. There is no quick fix to becoming good at this game.

Thank you. I was trying to craft a response while on severe monkey tilt from this thread.

We measure the time to get good at this game in the hundreds/thousands of hours. Spending 2 hours with pokerstove for information that can bring you more money than your job is a pretty minimal investment. And you seriously can't even do that? dasfjkdlafjadskfjdkslfjkdls;jflkdf

this is the exact opposite of a quick fix, Im looking for this info so I can have a deeper understand of the expected value/equity of hands,

Hand X - Probabilty of flop type A occuring, probabilty of flop type B occuring, how much of a raise can I call with hand X depending on the equity/expected value based on the differnt flop types and the occurences of flop types and how does all of this effect the way I should view playing the hand in general. Im assuming I butchered that last part, but this is what im trying to understand, I just didnt want to have to copy the info stoxev one by one into my word files, I want to view all the info in one easy place.

thanks for the responses, but im guessing since nobody has yet responded with relavent info that this information is NOT in one place.

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you guys are seriously putting ME on tilt, I just asked if this information was out there, no more no less, I dont need your views on whether my learning process is flawed, the idea of studying this is idiotic or your assumptions that im looking to create a system with charts and graphs telling me exactly how to play.

arguing over the internet, gotta love it, if I offended you guys im sry, once again im just looking for a link

-From
http://www.jetcafe.org/npc/reviews/g...e_numbers.html


lol, looks like what im looking to do HAS already been done. thats so awesome, nearly verbatim what I asked for. thank god for the quick fix

Congratulations on mediocrity.

lol <3 2+2, thanks for all your help fantastic SSNL posters, your sarcasm and insults will help everyones game!

seriously, I made this post and got nothing but insults and opinions, wtfmate, it was a simple question, not a act of war. come on you guys, wheres the love here!

I promise to have nothing but nice and constructive things to say from here on out, can you do the same, plz oh plz (with sugar on top)

-GK

Think about this for 2 seconds. 3 separate posters have basically agreed that this method of learning is deterrent to becoming a good poker player. Yet you still think that we are in the wrong? While I definitely made a purely sarcastic comment, their posts were completely legitimate, and just because you are too arrogant to accept them, does not mean that SSNL posters are not helpful.

Let me put it another way. I took violin lessons for a long time. If when my teacher or superiors told me that I needed to practice and become better, I got defensive and said I was looking for an easier, simpler method, I would never have been successful. You have the gall to do this, and then berate 74o and Fist?

Good luck. You're going to need it.

+1 you come off as really arrogant in your posts op

I asked if anyone had broken down how often certain hands flop certain scenarios, thats it. think about that for a second... then 2 or 3 people started drawing very specific conclusions about the entire way I view learning poker, how many assumptions were made in how I was going to use this information to come to those conclusions.

see you on the felt

GK,
honestly, this is really not the place to find good advice. if you want arrogance, scalding insults and people stroking their ego than this, and poker in general, is where you want to be.
seriously, such information you're looking for is only worth so much. really, if you want to become great at poker, vigilant hand-range analysis is the best way. I.E make educated guesses based on information given by your opponent. also, pick up poker books. and stay the hell away from horrible 2p2.

No he doesn't. Good grief. Dude has a strategy he wants to employ. He wants to know if the info derived can be easily obtained - not reinvent the wheel. And typical posters come on to ridicule strategy, not answer his question. Who is arrogant here?

The dogma on here is so thick at times.

Am I missing something here? OP really doesn't seem out of line with his request. I for one learn better visually. If I stick a hand chart by my monitor, in a couple of weeks I'll be able to memorize it. Yes, poker stove is great but its not the only way to learn. If this guy would prefer a visual representation don't damn him to hell for it.

yeah I think people are being a bit harsh to OP; the guy just wants some basic information

OP, buy 'Odds and Probabilities' by Matthew Hilger, it has a lot of the info you're looking for. And I think Pokerazor will do exactly what you want: visualise how many times a certain hand will have sets, top pairs, middle pairs and so forth. You will find, as you progress, that this information is indeed of limited use and that you're better of exploring ranges than single hand strengths, but it never hurts to know. Also, your question was probably better asked in the "Beginner's" section.