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JJ vs a nit - is this weak? JJ vs a nit - is this weak?

02-11-2009 , 06:23 AM
Villain is 18/14/2.5 raise flop cbet %= 17
I didn't want to reraise him on the flop as this was a slightly ahead/way behind situation imho. Does donking the turn make sense?


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BB: $243.45
UTG: $327.60
MP: $95.35
Hero (CO): $100.50
BTN: $128.45
SB: $110.75

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with J J
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 6 9 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, BTN raises to $15, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($38.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($38.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $25.00, Hero ?
02-11-2009 , 06:33 AM
reraising the flop would be ok too imo. youre right this is a way behind/slighty ahead spot, but your probably slightly ahead way more often than youre behind, so that should make up for it.

as played turn and river are fine. if you stab the turn you have to shove the river imo.
02-11-2009 , 06:34 AM
You could avoid all this oop trouble by either 3betting or folding the flop, although folding appears to be too weak. I cant see how you can profitably play this hand by calling the flop and seeing a turn oop. 18/14 is not all that nitty and will raise T9, 98 + andy club draws with pairs and/or overs, so that would be arguements for bet/3betting. as played fold river.
02-11-2009 , 07:25 AM
fold flop.
02-11-2009 , 07:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pablito_21
fold flop.
you would really fold on the flop?
02-11-2009 , 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyVulmer
you would really fold on the flop?
Obv 3betting sucks, I can't see why people are advocating this. If we get it in, we are crushed, or are we 3b/folding?

We are flipping or crushed (most of his draws are combodraws on this board), so I don't think we can profitably continue with this hand OOP. We're gonna fold so often on turn or river.

IP, I call though.
02-11-2009 , 08:45 AM
As someone above stated calling raise oop on that flop with JJ is bad and makes for incredibly hard decisions on future streets. 100% value bet on the river so calling is obviously out of question, I'd guess most often he is betting his straight for value but there is a possibility of him betting a set or two pair for value against whatever weak hand he is putting you on that might call a bet. As his value bet still is small I suspect certain weakness that might allow for getting him to fold to a reraise because you can easily be representing the flush. He will make the call with an 8 far less than he will fold so if raised big enough I think you will earn money by reraising river.

Dependant on what your image is btw
02-11-2009 , 08:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jumpoff
reraising the flop would be ok too imo. youre right this is a way behind/slighty ahead spot, but your probably slightly ahead way more often than youre behind, so that should make up for it.

as played turn and river are fine. if you stab the turn you have to shove the river imo.
what kind of explanation is this? doesnt matter if youre ahead a good amount of the time, when the action situation is bet/raise/3bet/shove/call, than this is the one where you are WB.

as said above, a fold isnt that bad here
02-11-2009 , 10:07 AM
3betting the flop is bad, i think you played it fine if you folded river.
02-11-2009 , 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by klink10k
3betting the flop is bad, i think you played it fine if you folded river.
I folded
02-11-2009 , 10:11 AM
oh and if you dont' want to fold, c/shoving the river he is pretty good.

      
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