BTN: 28/27 63hands, 3bet(10) 4bet: 25(4)

Is this an easy 5bet shove, I had 3bet villain two orbits ago with A7 when he raised 2.5x from the BTN, he folded. Now again I wake up with JJ and obviously 3bet for value? Should I shove or fold when he 4bets?

Button ($100)
SB ($109.05)
Hero (BB) ($97.75)
UTG ($100)
MP ($116.75)
CO ($191.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
3 folds, Button bets $2.50, 1 fold, Hero raises $10, Button raises $23, Hero?

For sure

For 100 bb in blind-vs-blind-battel, you should almost always 4bet/call or 3bet/shove with JJ and its not close. TT/AQ are more villain dependent.

Completely dependant on your own stats, if you're playing 16/12 you're probably not doing well here.

But generally, yes, shove obv. You won't get called by worse very often, but will be flipping a lot and you have fold-eq.

easy

generally dont 3bet fold strong value hands in the blind wars

Shove

If your not shoving JJ here, then you should just flat call instead of 3bet as u waste it's value a little, but you should definately 3bet/5bet imo.

Was the A7 suited? otherwise i think it's pretty bad considering you have hardly any info.

Thanks for the replies. I did shove and villain called with AQs.

Elitedonk unfortunately A7 was an offsuit one. Villain had raised 2.5x from the button almost every orbit so he definetely had lots of air. That is why I decided to make a stand and Ax is a good card removal card to 3bet bluff I think.

It is not true that you have to shove over a 4 bet with JJ if you 3bet that hand. I'd for example 3bet TT and sometimes even 99 in that spot but would not auto-shove over a 4bet.

If we 3bet JJ in position vs. a guy who never calls 3bets oop, then we should never 3bet and then fold to a 4bet. When we 3bet oop, things are different since villain will often just call our 3bet.

You obviously don't have to do anything, but the most optimal line is to shove, without a specific read that villain nrly never 4bets and flats a wide range. What you are doing is polluting your 3bet range with hands you are going to 3bet/fold with, allowing villain to adopt a strategy(if this is not his normal gameplan allready) of opening super wide and 4bet bluffing an inbalanced frequency.

Ok, well it's not super bad i guess. But i think there are better hands to bluff with there. You really don't have to defend 40% of hands against his opens. When he has possition, i think it's important to choose a hand that can hit something decent as calling becomes easier for him. I personally would prefer 79s to A7o, as you probably have a lot of Ax hands in your 3bet range allready and it's nicer to be able to hit a variety of flops with your range.

I'm quite sure empirical data strongly suggests getting it in aipf with JJ at 100NL is not a good play, irrelevant of opponent. There exists a line between using player statistics to your advantage and overusing player statistics. This case is very close. I think it might be a marginal shove if you're feeling gambly.

What about the facts that Villain:

- Had been opening almost every BTN
- I had recently 3bet villains BTN raise from BB and villain folded

Now the same situation arises so the real questions whether to shove or fold are:

1) Is villain 4bet bluffing often enough because he thinks I am starting to 3bet lightly? If he is then I think there is enough dead money to be taking.

2) Has he used his wild BTN opening as a disguised image and now wakes up with a monster.

I would lean towards conclusion number one. If it had been a tighter player, I think folding would be better cause 4bet bluffing is not in their arsenal nearly as often. (Though I might be wrong with that one)

Does this make any sense or am I over analyzing?

what santiberni said is just flat out wrong. getting it in BVB or BU vs sb/bb at 100NL is completely standard vs anybody who's not a nit.

Getting it in with JJ here, especially after 3betting him before in the same situation looks ok to me.
I guess I would also get AQs in here. Not sure about AQo.
Would anyone ever 3bet and call the 4b with AQo? I'm not sure if I like to 3b/fold AQo but think 3b/calling could be a good option with AQo.

I think I would call and keep his range wide with AQ.

That's just wrong. And even without the bolded part it seems that your empirical evidence isn't from any recent games.

Seems like a fairly ABC get it in spot with these or no reads.

do u have the a7 and jj hands confused? he folded when u had jj and youre wondering if u should 5bet bluff a7 now, right?

easiest shove in the whole wide world.