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03-27-2010 , 06:50 PM

Bonk

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,325

Villain is a total unknown, first hand in.
I minraised to make sure he tags along with everything that remotely connects with the board and allow him complete freedom to go insane with a wide range.
On that turn I should never check a made hand and I really doubt he checks behind given how this hand was played so far.

Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $103.00
BB: $100.00
BTN: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with J

1 fold, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $4.00, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $20, BB calls $8

Turn: ($46.00) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks (planning to c/r obviously)

03-27-2010 , 06:59 PM

Into2ndWind

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,683

hate it, make it bigger on flop, as played i would bet turn

u really think he's going to fire something u beat on this turn when u just minraised his raise on flop?

he will check back AJ, he will bet QT, J9, 44, etc

dont like this line at all

03-27-2010 , 07:02 PM

jaysu

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6,467

his most likely hand is T9 which checks back

03-27-2010 , 07:03 PM

shark_fishin

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,085

I don't mind the min-3bet i guess. But since u know nothing about him, he could be calling with a wide range here, and that turn just brought a whole load more draws to the table.
I think i would go ahead and bet turn as he might just decide to check those draws back since bet/3bet the flop might make him a little bit warry of bluffing when he picks up equity, even tho it was a min-raise.

03-27-2010 , 07:04 PM

_JerryD_

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This seems quite spewy to me. Not sure how the turn should be played though, but I really don't like how you got there on that flop.

03-27-2010 , 09:22 PM

riske

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do you really expect him to ever bet turn with worse? do you expect an unknown to know you never check a made hand? really don't like this.

03-27-2010 , 09:27 PM

Rockka

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,770

Quote:

I minraised to make sure he tags along with everything that remotely connects with the board and allow him complete freedom to go insane with a wide range.

If you want him to go insane with a wide range then minraising it back on the flop is dumb imo and you should flat flop. You have a made hand basically always with that line in most people's eyes which stands out a ****load more than cleverly checking the turn w/ a made hand lol.

03-27-2010 , 10:19 PM

skibbel

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,867

call flop, c/c turn. i don't think we can assume an unkown stacks off with less then 2 pair here. so i'd like to get maximum value out of his air.

obv c/r Jx turn and a few other drawy turn where he could suspect you of semibluffing and might call with TPGK+

03-28-2010 , 02:31 AM

dontdoit

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 563

i dont like this line. going for a turn c/r after a flop min3b is out-of-control-ridiculous-strong AND hes going to check back the turn almost always.

03-28-2010 , 12:16 PM

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Ramdon

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,681

What on earth are you monkeying around on the flop with top 2 and the small 3bet.

and as said - turn check is also very bad cuz he checks back so much

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