villan is 24/11/3

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (UTG): $237.70
MP: $661.80
CO: $202.00
BTN: $711.65
SB: $208.40
BB: $36.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, SB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.00) 8 5 9 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero ??


raise/felt?

Not the greatest of flops, many cards are bad but you do have a lovely position. So let us use the position OP, let us use it and take a card and re-evaluate on the turn. I hate to raise here and get shoved on, bet, 3-bet line would kill me - he could do it with draws but dangdiggity I think we get in behind a lot.

*grunch*

bet bet bet

*edit*

damnit

call/re-eval is the standard here. re-eval pbb means calling a diamond and a blank, folding a 6 7 8, not sure what to do on an 9 or T

i would raise the flop BUT fold to a push.

If he calls im going for 3 streets of value!

as gay as it is, I would call because most good players are bet/3betting any draw and bet/3betting any set

this is terrible

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (UTG): $237.70
MP: $661.80
CO: $202.00
BTN: $711.65
SB: $208.40
BB: $36.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, SB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.00) 8 5 9 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($40.00) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $32, Hero ???

what do you think he is getting it in with on the flop?

how is this an argument for just calling? if he was doing this with only combos and sets then yes i like your approach.

because getting our money in flipping vs his range is worth 14$ and we think the ev of calling is higher?

Fold to the turn bet, that is not a blank card and I feel further expedition into the hand will result in us bleeding away money. There are plenty of 7's in his range, there are also plenty of combo hands that have now got two pairs at least. I am also pretty sure he fires the river as well, so calling here you have to call a river blank and I do not think QQ stands up to the test!

I guess. I don't disagree with kils line just his wording doesn't sit right (wow i'm gay). There is too many made hands in villains range, and there are very few oesd,flushdraws in villains range (given board that don't include addition outs).

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178,200 games 0.005 secs 35,640,000 games/sec

Board: 8d 5d 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.687% 35.19% 00.49% 62712 882.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 64.313% 63.82% 00.49% 113724 882.00 { 99-88, 55, AdKd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, JTs, 98s, 8d7d, 76s, 4d3d, 3d2d }

wow, I think its the opposite

There're many draws but not that many made hands I don't think

not that it makes a huge difference anyway

yeah he pbb doesn't call that many fd's preflop

Villain seems tightish but a bit more on the passive side so def flat the flop. Getting it in here with no history or any info or anything that dictates ur not flipping or dominated would be pretty bad.

Fold the turn, he has 2pair/set/straight like always

I agree with most in this thread, and the flop is a pretty standard call for me without crazy history. Just wanted to check up..


I did butcher the turn however (fold is my standard):

Turn: ($40.00) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $32, Hero calls $32

River: ($104.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $104.00
Hero shows Qd Qs (a pair of Queens)
SB shows 6d 6c (three of a kind, Sixes)
SB wins $101.00

Minraise flop, if he reraises, it's most likely a good made hand and you can fold cheaply. If he has a draw or a hand with some showdown value, he will just call because he gets the odds and will check the turn.

Jesus god

Kinda expected that kind of reply Are you implying every villain will see right through us and we get bluff-raised all-in 100% if we make a minraise?

Should prolly add that I haven't played this situation like this like ever as far as I can remember, but against players who will likely revert back to playing straight-forward when you take the initiative away from them even by a minraise in position, it could be ok?

no offense gball, but your advice is terrible.
1) you should never ever ever raise so that you can then "fold cheaply" if you are rerasied. raise for value and raise to protect your hand
2) minraising the flop sucks. you dont want to give him good odds to call with a draw. if he has proper odds to call then he is making money on the call, which means you made a mistake with your raise size.
3) raising flop/folding to a rerasie when ~100bb deep is generally really bad

muck the turn, flat the flop.

Call, shove non 7, non 8, non diamond turn.

Why does everyone here think he can't call a reraise or shove with worse?

Absolutely no offense taken! When suggesting non-standard line, I was kinda hoping someone would set me straight and say why it would be bad.

1), 2) : Any money that is put into the pot when I'm ahead, is more for me, right? When villain is drawing he is not making more money from the amount hero raises, so isn't hero always making more no matter how much he raises? Villain is correct to call considering the total pot size of course, but the amount hero raises, hero will win more from that amount than the drawing villain.

3) : Yes it is very big mistake to raise big then fold to reraise if villain has a draw. That's why in that case minraise minimizes that mistake

your thinking is flawed though. almost any villain in this spot is going to bet the flop adn then shove over your rasie with any combo draw as well sets/2 pair. so hes shoving a ton of hands that you beat, and youre going to fold incorrectly everytime he does that.

as for minraising - its just mathematically incorrect. you lose money in the long run becasue youre going to pay him off both when he has a better hand, and when he calls with correct odds odds and hits his drawing hand.
and youre also flat out losing value by making such a tiny raise

also keep in mind that when the pot starts to get large its a much worse mistake (in other words you lose much more money) to fold the best hand than it is to get in the money with a worse hand.