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I backdoor a flush and get 3bet shoved on wtf I backdoor a flush and get 3bet shoved on wtf

07-25-2008 , 11:45 PM
Villain was 19/12 over 90, no history. Table had just broken and this was my last hand.


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SB: $217.80
Hero (BTN/BB): $102.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/BB with 7 6
Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 3 A T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.00, SB calls $4

Turn: ($14.00) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($14.00) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $11.00, Hero raises to $31, SB raises to $106
07-25-2008 , 11:49 PM
ugh I guess it just may be a fold. It's pretty unlikely he has a flush, so I'd call sometimes. If that sample is reasonably accurate, then his line definitely suggests he has a higher one. I just don't see him doing it as a bluff, but maybe he's overvaluing A10/A9/910 or a set. I think it depends on how I'm feeling and what's happened recently even though you hadn't been playing HU. Bah, I think you gotta call, pretty coolerish if he's got you beat.

Last edited by ClutchCity; 07-25-2008 at 11:57 PM.
07-25-2008 , 11:51 PM
He could be value-shoving aces up or a set here. I call.
07-25-2008 , 11:55 PM
Pretty gross.

You have to be good, what, 30% of the time here or so? I think I'd wince and call. He may have a set, rarely a worse flush, rarely a bluff (ppl get spastic HU).

I don't think he'd peel flop with a KQ/KJ/QJ gutshot that often. He'd probably 3bet AsKs/AsQs preflop (at least the AKs for sure). He'd prob c/r the flop with As3s. That leaves AsJs/As9s/As5s/As4s, not a ton of combos. Maybe he peels flop with 4s3s, he prob just folds 5s4s.

So, yah, I think I'd make the call but it's close.
07-26-2008 , 12:12 AM
I think you have to call this one; I'd be fairly happy with it.
07-26-2008 , 01:34 AM
Easy call but I hate the spot, he shows up w/ a better flush than you ALOT. I assume you posted it because he had like AJss tho.
07-26-2008 , 01:51 AM
I play mostly tourneys so take this with a grain of salt and please correct me if I'm wrong but...

I really don't think he shows up with a better flush here ALOT. I think the only likely flush's he would show with are As and a low to mid spade or something like KJss. Makes sense to me since he calls the flop bet and takes a free turn card, which he might do with a mid suited ace or two broadway spades and a gutshot.

I think two pair/ set is much more likely here, plus I highly doubt he's putting you on a runner runner flush after betting the flop. However, I'm guessing you lost since you're posting this.

Someone let me know if this thinking is way off for cash, k thanks.

Edit: I call FWIW
07-26-2008 , 02:25 AM
I'm only worried about A3, A4, or A5 of spades here. In the heat of the moment, though, I probably grumble and call, then fist pump when I see his hand:

- if I win, it's a fist pump of joy; or
- if he rivered nut flush, I pump my fist at the nearest inanimate object or midget I can find.
07-26-2008 , 02:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurdFerguson
- if I win, it's a fist pump of joy; or
- if he rivered nut flush, I pump my fist at the nearest inanimate object or midget I can find.
wow thats funny

also i call
07-26-2008 , 02:35 AM
sure looks like Axcc here. i say dump it, just given 19/12's are pretty nitty overall.

Last edited by therealpk; 07-26-2008 at 02:37 AM. Reason: forgot to say what i'd do
07-26-2008 , 02:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oatmealforxmas
wow thats funny

also i call
be sure not to punch the wrong type of midget, else you might get a gypsy curse...
07-26-2008 , 02:52 AM
give me your tears gypsy!
07-26-2008 , 03:05 AM
Like I said earlier I'm very new to cash, and I'm sure this is a sticky somewhere on here, but can someone explain the xx/xx/xx numbers real qucik? I know they have to do with preflop raising and the such. Sorry for being lazy but its late.
07-26-2008 , 03:09 AM
Id bet turn alot HU, but I dont play it much these days so that may be bad.

river is kinda meh Id call tough
07-26-2008 , 03:10 AM
percent of hands played/preflop raise percent/aggression factor (times you bet or raise divided by times you call)
07-26-2008 , 03:11 AM
We have 100BB's and backdoored a flush on a non paired board heads up. I would snap with 34ss.

Srsly am I insane ? I think this is a fist pump.
07-26-2008 , 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by orlov
Id bet turn alot HU, but I dont play it much these days so that may be bad.
Yeah I dunno, I mean it's certainly a different dynamic when you're just sitting w one guy from a broken 6max game than when you're sitting at a HU table. I don't play HU, but I can't ever see folding a bd flush on an unpaired board for 1 BI in any HU match where your opponent isn't just incredibly passively and predictably bad. I thought this spot might be a bit closer given that while this vanilla 19/12 is going to adjust some given that we just got HU, he's not likely to be going into a very aggro mindset like you might have sitting at a HU table.
07-26-2008 , 11:09 AM
Guess he has A9 T9 here a decent amount so it's fine to call
07-26-2008 , 11:59 AM
your only beat by a Ahigh flush. he pbb bets turn with that hand I guess.
he can do this with 99 or other set / 2pair, he wanted to CR on the turn..

I call
07-26-2008 , 12:28 PM
I doubt he is 3betting aces up for value, except maybe ATs. I think a flush is more likely, but a set of tens is possible. Discounting a set of tens by 1/3 you still have enough equity to call, so I think it's close but probably best to get your money in.
07-26-2008 , 01:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy
We have 100BB's and backdoored a flush on a non paired board heads up. I would snap with 34ss.

Srsly am I insane ? I think this is a fist pump.
Yeah, that thinking makes sense, and what I originally thought. You gotta factor in though that you're playing a kinda nitty tag who most likely isn't gonna get way out of line on this board. I doubt he's bluffing, so the only question is, is he overvaluing his 2p/set or does he really have a flush. It's a little close.
07-26-2008 , 02:17 PM
i'm in the call aggressively boat
07-26-2008 , 02:25 PM
WTF THIS IS A SNAP CALL, has anyone ever played a hand of HU poker in their life?
07-26-2008 , 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
Villain was 19/12 over 90, no history. Table had just broken and this was my last hand.
did you tell him this was going to be your last hand?
07-26-2008 , 02:42 PM
lol at folding a BD flush 100bb deep HU

      
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