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07-02-2008 , 01:52 AM

kolotoure

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Villain is an unknown reg

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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CO: $506.40
BTN: $200.00
SB: $405.65
Hero (BB): $220.35

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q

1 fold, BTN raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($15.00) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12, Hero raises to $40, BTN raises to $100, Hero raises to $213.35 all in, BTN calls $93 all in

07-02-2008 , 02:01 AM

shpanko

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against an unknown I generally just c/c the flop. If I c/r the flop I'm obviously not folding so your shove is standard at that point. Against an unknown though I ere on the side of passivity

07-02-2008 , 02:08 AM

tubasteve

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we have about 39% equity against a pretty tight range, so i guess this is fine but i like a flop c/c better

07-02-2008 , 02:12 AM

kolotoure

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I do agree what a c/c is better. If we c/c is it to c/c brick and lead am A/9?

07-02-2008 , 02:13 AM

Al_Money

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shpanko

against an unknown I generally just c/c the flop. If I c/r the flop I'm obviously not folding so your shove is standard at that point. Against an unknown though I ere on the side of passivity

agreed on all points

07-02-2008 , 02:18 AM

Hobbs.

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err

/nit

07-02-2008 , 02:18 AM

Speedlimits

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c/ring this is pretty bad

just c/c flop

07-02-2008 , 02:21 AM

riske

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your thread titles are priceless, even an old school robin made its way here

also: agree with c/c

07-02-2008 , 05:06 AM

Bob4242

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The first check/raise is bad with no history/metagame. The only reason to do it is for balancing and if you think he might spaz out. The board is veeeery scary and the only hands you're getting action from that you beat are QJ, FDs (which you don't beat by much as they probably have some extra draws) and that's about it. He folds all his air and stacks you with all his 2Ps, AQ etc.

Hands that you are ahead of have 5 outs at most, other than FDs. So flop c/c looks a good place to start in this hand, then probably station-town it to most showdowns.

07-02-2008 , 05:13 AM

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Michaelson

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Yeah, you definitely should play this passively because you have a decent draw and a pretty good showdown hand.

If you fire up on the flop your showdown value is shot to **** and you're crossing your fingers in a big pot.

07-02-2008 , 05:15 AM

#11

TheKitbag

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob4242

why dont more people post like this? All i ever see is "flop raise is bad" without any explanation. I'm sure it says somehwere in the posting guidelines that saying soemthing is bad without explaining why is not helpful ...

07-02-2008 , 05:25 AM

#12

Michaelson

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This is a very high vloume forum, and often the decisions in a posted hand are pretty trivial. Where there are disagreements about how to play a hand, in depth discussion generally ensues.

I agree sometimes it's frustrating, but it's just how things around here function.

07-02-2008 , 05:29 AM

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Buff Disciple

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Yeah, wout history I hate it. Well...I guess not hate, but c/c is much better. Then I prob c/c turn c/f river. If hit lead is prob the best

07-02-2008 , 05:59 AM

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Super Hans

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I assume we are folding the river if we don't improve? What happens if we hit a Q and he continues betting?

07-02-2008 , 06:06 AM

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Niggel

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Against a reg who has some idea about position I am most likely 3-betting PF here to take down the pot a good portion of the time, to build a pot with a hand which is likely best (or not far behind) and for metagame reasons.

As played I don't think the c/r isn't that bad against a poor or loose player but against an unknown reg c/c is prolly better because we won't get it in here as a favorite often enough.
I would c/c call the turn if we hit no A, 9 or maybe a K. But what do we do if we hit our straight? Trying to c/r or should we try to lead-out/donk?

07-02-2008 , 07:04 AM

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Buff Disciple

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I think the donk is immensely better here as I think he checks back so much that is willing to call bets. I.e. a lot of random regs even will check back top set in this spot at least 1 street, but will call 2 bets w/ it.

07-02-2008 , 07:33 AM

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Tempel

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check back any set on that board?

fmp

07-02-2008 , 07:59 AM

#18

Bob4242

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Buff Disciple

I don't get it...we are very happy if he has top set and no more money goes in. I'll assume this is a misread or similar. But the point about donking is quite interesting - it looks less strong than a C/R, so I think we do indeed get more action from more worse hands than when we C/R, but again we are obviously playing for stacks if he raises, and with no history on a scarey board, he's probably raising for value more than with air, so we are getting boned if all the monies go in. I think it's better than C/R, but I don't think it's better than C/C w/no history. Thoughts?

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