Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $96.55
UTG: $45.75
CO: $113.85
Hero (BTN): $100.80
SB: $113.10

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K 7
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BB calls $4, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) 4 8 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

Turn: ($27.50) Q (2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero raises to $24, BB calls $16

River: ($75.50) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $63.80 all in


villan is 31/10/2. my image is pretty tight around 17/14/4. by the river it's obvious he has an 8. only question is if he's folding it. i'm pretty new to 100nl so i'm not sure if these fishy players ever fold after calling turn, but give the pot size, is this a good spot to shove, or does a smaller bet look stronger, or just check and loose to 82 or some **** like that?

I think turn is okay. cause these small donkbets are often donkbet/folds.
on the river I should check it down because he pbb isn't folding after calling the turn

I think its terrible.
What range do you put him on when he calls this turn and what % of that range do you think he is really folding on such a blank river?

This is good. I would raise turn to like 21 to make a river shove close to a psb.

He folds all his air and small pp and gutshots which is 99% of his range.

This. Turn is fine, but you really shouldn't be 3 barrel bluffing unknowns.

i think if he took a long time to call the turn the river is ok, lots of these fishy types are very willing to kinda 'see what happens' with some junk and just fold the river unless they hit a miracle

Good bluff. I'd say he only calls you with Qx, 4x or 88. I guess sometimes he will be betting $8 on the turn to induce with these hands, but most of the time his $8 bet only means that he wants to keep the pot small.

We beat air and gutshots by checking behind anyway. Small pocket pairs never play like this imo. Is 66 donk-bet/folding the turn here?

Why do you think it's obvious he has an 8? You can only say that because you saw the showdown. To us, he could be bluffing, have a middle pocket pair, queen, anything. He played an 8 strangely imo. Why would he bet the turn if has A8 or 98? He's just unnecessarily turning a mediocre hand into a bluff.

The only hands that I would call with here are 99, 88, or 77 and I think I might even fold 66 and below unless I had some reason to believe that UTG would call too, giving me some implied odds.

... because you end up making multiple assumptions about the way the unknown plays based on a few broad generalizations about the basic skill level of the players in your stakes.

I haven't seen the showdown. Where is it?

I also just said that it doesn't matter what fish has if you know HE IS NEVER CALLING.

Just do the math how often the bluff has to work and compare to how often fish has trips/better here.

What Qx, 4x hands are playing like this? Not only is AQ three-betting a lot of the time here pre-flop, I would fold KQ and worse and definitely on the flop against an unknown (and even most regs because I don't float OOP), and I would fold any hand with a 4 in it without thinking about it.

insyder you have some broken logic going. How do you know he is never calling? after he calls the turn, i'd say he's pretty likely to call. it looks like he's dug his heels in, and the turn bet is just asking to be raised, he would have to be a real moron to think it would be an effective bluff
again, i think jordan mac has a good arguement.

checking back the river is prob best here since he is offering you a a free SD.

i don't like shoving here just bc the river is a blank, and a lot of villains expect you to make plays on them when you raise their donkbets and then fire big on a dry board.

shut down on river.
1) he's loose so he likes to call
2) the board didnt change
3) there are no draws anywhere ever on this board.

this is ok with a strong read imo but not here.

he tanked river and called with 85. i think this was a bad bluff but not terrible. bluffing fish never works...i should know better and just fold turn.