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ftp200..change of pace w/ AK from bb ftp200..change of pace w/ AK from bb

04-14-2008 , 02:58 PM
CO was 19/15/4.2 over 900 hands

is this silly or bad or what?

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $260.15
Hero (BB): $234.55
UTG: $341.20
MP: $524.00
CO: $203.00
BTN: $77.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with A K
2 folds, CO raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($15.00) 3 9 A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($39.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $26, Hero calls $26

River: ($91.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $54
04-14-2008 , 03:18 PM
ew
04-14-2008 , 03:20 PM
If you plan to just flat call with AK pf then this is a GREAT flop to c/r
04-14-2008 , 03:22 PM
yeah if you flat
then c/r the flop or at least the turn but that would look really strong so maybe not
but really just 3bet pre its bvb he will call with worse/4bet with worse
04-14-2008 , 03:27 PM
If you flat I think it's fine to just check/call a few streets against an aggro reg. They pretty much always fire multiple barrels here b/c they put you on like weak aces or middle pairs and stuff.

Maybe c/r if you think you can go a few levels deep, like he thinks you're bluffing b/c you're only repping 2 sets here so he gives you action. Otherwise I just like inducing here.

This is a good flop to c/r bluff against a straightforward player, so for that reason it's not a good flop to c/r for value.
04-14-2008 , 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ASC-what
If you plan to just flat call with AK pf then this is a GREAT flop to c/r
rly? what do you expect action from?
04-14-2008 , 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser.
If you flat I think it's fine to just check/call a few streets against an aggro reg. They pretty much always fire multiple barrels here b/c they put you on like weak aces or middle pairs and stuff.

Maybe c/r if you think you can go a few levels deep, like he thinks you're bluffing b/c you're only repping 2 sets here so he gives you action. Otherwise I just like inducing here.

This is a good flop to c/r bluff against a straightforward player, so for that reason it's not a good flop to c/r for value.
how do you play this river?
04-14-2008 , 03:36 PM
I guess it also depends on history/your image/how often you 3bet.
04-14-2008 , 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joseki
rly? what do you expect action from?
an ace...
04-14-2008 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser.
If you flat I think it's fine to just check/call a few streets against an aggro reg. They pretty much always fire multiple barrels here b/c they put you on like weak aces or middle pairs and stuff.

Maybe c/r if you think you can go a few levels deep, like he thinks you're bluffing b/c you're only repping 2 sets here so he gives you action. Otherwise I just like inducing here.

This is a good flop to c/r bluff against a straightforward player, so for that reason it's not a good flop to c/r for value.
if hes the kind who would never float a flop c/r on this flop i also doubt hes the kind to try to barrel you off a weakish hand
04-14-2008 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joseki
rly? what do you expect action from?
Any ace.

It's totally unclear to me why you called down only to now bet when the river has made a flush.

In other words, you waited until the board is scary and THEN value bet...uh, WAT?

Do you even know if you are value betting or bluffing here? Did you spend any time at all putting your opponent on a range?
04-14-2008 , 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdm13
an ace...
What kind of range villain is gonna put you on?
04-14-2008 , 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malifous
What kind of range villain is gonna put you on?
a bluff or 33 and sometimes 99
04-14-2008 , 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joseki
how do you play this river?
It's kind of an awkward spot, I dunno, I probably just c/c again. When he value bets AJ and you call he'll be like WTF and it'll be funny.

mdm,
Check-raising flop is okay but like, we'll get a lot of value from worst aces by c/c too and we can even c/r a later street if the board comes good. I just think a flop c/c lets him bluff more because he doesn't have an ace that often with only 2 left in the deck. He just folds to a c/r way too much for it to be optimal imo.

oh btw, I think a flop lead is okay too.
04-14-2008 , 03:57 PM
donklead river! for less ldo 30ish, he'll freak out and bluff raise you


also props for posting "FTP" in the title, doing this makes me want to read more threads, everyone else follow

Last edited by tom441lbk; 04-14-2008 at 03:59 PM. Reason: donklead
04-14-2008 , 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo-san
Any ace.

It's totally unclear to me why you called down only to now bet when the river has made a flush.

In other words, you waited until the board is scary and THEN value bet...uh, WAT?

Do you even know if you are value betting or bluffing here? Did you spend any time at all putting your opponent on a range?
i flatted preflop just for the **** of it, since i don't recall ever doing it before. on that flop i don't think he'll be inclined to stack off w/ AT, but I might get 2+ streets of value if it goes in calmly. i really don't like c/r anywhere since it over-reps my hand and there aren't too many hands he could call with, but i could be wrong on that.

i didn't really know what to do with this river, as i'm still doing well v. his range, but he's checking behind a huge % of the time.

he could 1. have been barreling the turn w/ air, or 2. be holding a 1pr hand like that would be scared of a c/r or even a c/c, or 3. have big hand like 2pr or set.

i think i like a river lead in all three cases since if 1. he's likely to give up after seeing the river card, if 2. these scared 1pr hands aren't betting but might call a fishy looking bet if the price is right, and if 3. i get to set my price and use the scary river to block a raise.

i don't know, it was just a strange hand that i wanted to hear some thoughts on...

      
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